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It was mainly the educated/qualified who voted remain ? Poll please

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concertplayer · 24/06/2016 06:59

While watching this morning's Eu debates an argument was put forward
that it was mainly the educated/qualified in the large cities like London
Edinburgh and Brighton voting to remain as they were the most mobile/
more likely to be moving to Europe for jobs etc
This is not necessarily this poster's view but it does seem these places
have more "knowledge "jobs than the provinces So I would like these
degree holding Mmnetters to disclose whether there is any truth in this?

OP posts:
schbittery · 25/06/2016 22:18

Me - degree and masters - remain
DP - no degree - leave

Gwenhwyfar · 26/06/2016 00:18

NowWhat - why would one person disprove the 'theory' - it's not really a theory by the way, it's borne out by the stats.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/06/2016 00:23

Weekend, I agree with you about Gordon Brown and was thinking that as I watched his 'Britain to lead EU' video. Not only the fact that he didn't have transitional arrangements for new member state migrants, but also his unwillingness to discuss it or explain it as seen in Bigotgate when he called that woman a bigot rather than talk to her honestly about free movement.

Lighteningirll · 26/06/2016 00:27

Degree 1st class Economics Leave, dh degree Leave, dd masters Leave, ds degree remain. The idea that the more educated/younger voted Remain is bollocks.

Turbinaria · 26/06/2016 00:45

The problem with the Remain side's message that The EU and Immigration has a net benefit to the UK is that not everybody felt that benefit in fact 52% of those that voted felt it had a negative impact on their lives. I think the 48% who are beneficiaries of EU and immigration need to understand this in order to understand why people voted to leave.

AdoraBell · 26/06/2016 00:55

Born and raised in pre WW1 council flat in inner London, abusive father, zero self esteem growing up, left school at 16 with a few piss poor CSA results, moved around South East of England, then South America, came back to UK last year and voted Remain.

LostInMess · 26/06/2016 01:10

Me - degree and post grad qualifications- remain
DH - degree and post grad qualifications (and works in the city for an international company) - leave (on the grounds it's undemocratic).

My non-degree holding parents in their 70s, who live in the north east, both voted remain.

I am very concerned at this pitting of one half of the country against the other. I live in the South East but still visit the NE regularly.
Never ceases to amaze me what a bubble
some people here live in and how they have no idea what goes on outside it.

Kummerspeck · 26/06/2016 01:20

I think it is more down to lifestyle than education tbh. More highly educated people live in the more prosperous areas which were more likely to vote Remain. I believe it is the lifestyle and the people you mix with which makes the difference, not the education in itself.

My own family are all qualified to degree standard and most have professional qualifications like medicine, accountancy, law, etc in addition. Those who have moved to London or work in middle class areas voted Remain, most of those who do similar jobs in deprived areas in the North, seeing the effects of poverty every day, voted Leave.

The benefits of migration are positive overall but are not felt equally across society. Big business and the wealthy benefit greatly from a large, cheap workforce, the middle class benefit in a smaller way from cheaper builders, nannies, carers, etc and the enrichment other cultures bring while the poor struggle with increased competition for jobs, reduced wages and conditions (like zero hours contracts), pressure on services like GPs and the loss of local facilities as shops and places close because money is sent out of the area rather than spent locally

Valentine2 · 26/06/2016 01:38

Degree and voted Remain. Properly researched it too.

Emmaroos · 26/06/2016 14:34

@Lighteningirll Statistics (as you obviously know with an economics degree) are about trends, not individuals. It's a fact that the way people voted in this referendum varied hugely according to socio economic grouping and age. A straw poll on Mumsnet doesn't change that, any more than your family deviating from the overall trend changes it.

@Turbinaria: The problem with the 'Leave' side's message is that they were appealing to many people who want to believe that their lives cannot get any worse than they are now. The people you talk about in poorer regions of the UK who believe that immigration has had a negative impact on their lives are probably correct. The flaw is in thinking that leaving the EU will change anything about immigration. We're not like Australia, hugely isolated by geography. It's almost impossible to prevent people from coming to countries with land borders or easily accessible coastlines. Also, the UK economy and working population HAS to keep growing or the country goes bankrupt, so there isn't ever going to be a political will to halt immigration (if you are wondering why the winning Brexiters have not called for article 50 to be invoked or stepped up with their plans for what happens next, that's why.
I (and I imagine the vast majority of remain voters) understand perfectly well that there are many, many British people who are worse off than they would have been 50 years ago with the same skills and whose lives are not as comfortable as ours. At the moment many of these people are supported by much higher taxes paid by people lucky enough to have jobs earning 60k+ pa (what you have to earn for your taxes to make a net contribution to the system and not just fund your own share of state services). What I don't understand is how people who are currently dependent on the state or at risk of being dependent on the state think they will be better off when the jobs that deliver high taxes and fund social housing, subsidised tertiary education, healthcare, income support etc. etc. relocate to the EU? At least now a youngster from a poor family in Britain can access the education/training to equip them for skilled jobs, even if they may have to move away from home to find those jobs, and they can access benefits if they have periods when they cannot make ends meet. A cursory look at what it means to be poor in the USA might give you a sense of how much worse things can be when people are either unwilling or unable to contribute to a comprehensive welfare state.
I think a lot of people who voted leave thinking they had nothing to lose will discover how wrong they were in the coming years. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I'm not hopeful.

MiddleAgeMiddleEngland · 26/06/2016 18:54

DPhil, BA, two undergrads, all 4 voted Remain.

BestIsWest · 26/06/2016 18:59

In my family

Me, DF and DD, degree
DH 1 O level, left school at 15.
DM no qualifications, left school at 14.
DS and D neice A levels
DB and DSIL and DNephew a handful of GCSEs between them

All of us voted Remain. And we're in Wales.

Britnyspears · 26/06/2016 19:03

Frankly anyone without a PhD from Oxbridge should not be allowed to vote.

Oldsu · 26/06/2016 19:33

Oh dear I am 61 with no formal qualifications didn't even pass my 11 plus so according to all the 'experts' being old and uneducated I should have voted to leave, I mean that's what everyone says, the 'experts', the keyboard warriors, so it must be true.

BUT I am ALSO Client Services Director (just been promoted) of a large company who trades with Europe.

So did I vote leave because I am old and thick???
or did I vote remain because I was worried about mine and my colleagues future out of Europe.?????

I have been recruiting for a new team and have been a tad disappointed in the quality of the young graduates I have been interviewing so to my mind (sorry) degrees do not make people more informed or superior.

Oldsu · 26/06/2016 19:35

Thanks Britnyspears you have just proved my point

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 26/06/2016 20:23

Britnyspears - so just Cambridge PhDs then (since you get a DPhil rather than a PhD from Oxford)?

KJJDMB · 27/06/2016 20:07

Degree voted leave, DH degree voted leave
Dad doctor voted leave, mum 2 degrees voted leave
Brother 2 degrees voted remain

Cliffdiver · 27/06/2016 20:12

Postgrad degree - remain

sooperdooper · 27/06/2016 20:17

Degree, professional/media job, voted remain - as did 99% of the people I work with who fit the same profile

Haffdonga · 27/06/2016 20:21

Me, dh and ds all grads, all remain.
My parents in their 80s, left school young with not many quals - both also remain.

scaryteacher · 28/06/2016 21:54

Two postgrads here, one with Chartered Status, both leave, and we live in Brussels. Ds, undergrad, remain.

RJnomore1 · 28/06/2016 21:56

Dh honours degree, me MSc, both remain

Hygellig · 30/06/2016 20:48

The BBC have an article saying that "Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, according to the 2011 census, 28 backed Brexit."

Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, according to the 2011 census, 28 backed Brexit.

Based on a sample of two DH and I are graduates and voted Remain.

PortiaCastis · 30/06/2016 21:39

A lot of people have moved and graduated since 2011. Why have the BBC based their assumption on 5 year old figures?

Redactio · 30/06/2016 21:42

BSc and MSc - Leave.

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