and Hilary's running for president

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I agree that social issues dominate, but I don't know why. Maybe because they make for more colorful debate than economics.

I think that's not a problem singular to the US but to most countries outside Europe, where society may still be ruled by old traditional values that Europe has outgrown. Being as powerful as it is, the US is compared to Europe as it were part of it but is not.

Ali that is COOL!

I'll be voting by absentee ballot.

I did that even in the States.

I remember the last election, I sat down by candlelight w/some wine and the gas fire on and voted in the comfort of my own living room.

A lot of people think Hilary stayed married to Bill to further her political career.

I can't really put my finger on what it is, but A LOT of people don't like her.

I mean, he was Slick Willy. Maybe they feel she is, too.

I don't think she is slick. I certainly think she is very smart. I think people don't warm to her because she doesn't come across as war. You also have to remember that her stand by your man routine was what enabled her to have any popularity at all. She isn't as disliked as she used to be.

Someone said that she has already shown her experiance from previously being in the White House. Doesn't anyone remember what a disaster Hillary Care was? It was laughable.

Remember how everyone called them 'Billary'?

I really don't give a flying bat's bum about people's private life and how many lovers they have. That is for someone and their wife/husband. Yes, he shouldn't have lied about it, but he was a flawed man like everyone. But warm, intelligent and had a good socially aware heart.
Now Bush - his former addictions? Yeah right. That's why he passed out after 'choking on a pretzel.'

Remember when Bill admitted to holding a joint but said he didn't inhale?

Yah, right!

Why not just say, 'Yeah, I toked it'?

Cuz you know he did.

I mean, he fooled around w/Monica and then said it wasn't adultery.

I'd have had more respect for him if he'd just bonked her brains out and then, when caught out, admitted it instead of doing a song and dance.

Lol I'd forgotten about the Billary!

I think its that he lied about it that ticks me off. I also could never respect a man who has such trashy taste in women. He is still getting photographed being a lech at fund raisers. He gives me the weebie jeebies.

I know what you mean about the not inhaling. give me a break.

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Apparently Condi wants to be head of the Football Commission.

She'd be great at it!

One of the academics I work with worked at Stanford when she was running the show financially there, and he said she's tough.

And for him to say that, she must be a real ball breaker.

She is a huge football fan. I think that job is tailor made for her.

Sitting Bull there are loads of reasons why I wouldn't vote for her, the fact that she is a woman is not one of them.

oh please. And George Bush may still have a drink problem. Bit different from saying you had a joint as a teenager [and you know he had to try to play by conservative America's rules by playing around with words.] His real crimes were trying too hard to keep his job, a job he was doing really well. Bit different to what George Bush is doing but i'll bow out now.

You misunderstand Ruty. We don't care if he smoked a doobie. We do care if he lies about it.

All you see is the war. I don't like it either but he is doing some good things. Domestic policy was always George's strong point. He was always going to be crap at foreign policy. Bill's was foreign affairs but his domestic policy was crap.

I agree w/Paula's first sentence.

No one really gave a stuff if he smoked it, fucked it, whatever.

It was that he lied about it.

Ditto Nixon. If he'd just come out and said, 'I did it. I spied on my opponents by breaking into their offices. I paid people to do it.'

But instead he lied and tried to cover it up.

My reason for not voting for Hillary: I don't like her.

Plain and simple.

Just don't.

Can't put my finger on it.

Nothing to do w/her being female or race or blah blah blah.

Something about her I really don't like.

So I think it's going to be Obama for me.

My reasons for not voting for Hillary:

I don't like her, I don't like her husband.

I believe in a limited Federal Government.
I believe that people should be able to keep more of what they earn. Its their money they should have a say in how it is spent. I don't think rich people are evil.
She will raise taxes. She believes in big government. Hiallary Clinton doesn't think people should be trusted with their money she believes that she knows how to spend it better than them. She loves big government and wants a welfare state.

She is pro-abortion. She and her husband advocate nine month abortions.

She believes in Affirmative Action. I believe the best person for the job should get the job. Affirmative Action leads to quotas which are wrong. It leads to discrimination.

I could go on and on

no you both misunderstand me. I said that his fault was trying to save his job too hard, ie, saying things after the event told to him by his PR or whatever, which basically denied the things he had done, yes, lied, because he knew much of the American public were so morally conservative that he would lose his job for having a couple of affairs of having a joint as a teenager. and i think that had he lost his job because of these things it would have been a real tragedy. Paulaplumpbottom i have American friends who would disagree with you that Clinton had a bad domestic policy. And who would also disagree with you that Bush has a good one. lets not forget that Bush's leadership was in a terrible state before 9/11.

I feel that everyone does things in their youth and people shouldn't be smeared because of it. I certainly wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. I have inhaled and in University my sexual activity would have rivaled expats. As President you shouldn't be doing things that you may have to lie about. He could have at least been a bit more discreet. He became ineffective at his job due to scandel. It embarrased the Country. Yes he should have lost his job for these reasons.

We will have to agree to disagree about Bush's domestic policy. With the exeption of his stance on Homosexual marriage I agree with almost all of his policies.

I think the American people on the whole would have been more accepting a few joints and some hooching around - after all, they elected GW. He made no secret of his former drug use and didn't deny it.

It's the lying that got to people.

He probably wasn't going to lose his job if he owned up.

But he just went and perjured himself in federal court!

That goes against the very principles the country was founded on.

He could have even chose to exercise his 5th Amendment rights and said nothing.

Instead he lied.

And that undermined his credibility more than anything he did that could be construed as immoral.

And I voted for him, too!

I was really disappointed by that.

Just be a man/woman and own up to it, hold your head up, say you did it and it was wrong and take the consequences.

Don't try to weasel out! That's already what's wrong w/the West, no personal responsibility.

People respect you when you own up to what you've done and deal.

bit at 9 month abortions, defintely don't agree with that. But very angry that Bush had curtailed stem cell research.

can't believe anyone could justify nine month abortions, is this really true?
AS for the lying, i think he did it because he genuinely thought he might lose his job and he wanted to carry one doing what he thought was a good job. Just my opinion though.

Exactly Expat. It was something Bush did correctly. He outed himself before anybody else could and people respected him for that. They couldn't use it against him.

I don't agree with stem cell research on fetuses. I think there are alternatives that should be researched.

what if Bush is still an alcoholic but it has just been covered up really well?