big brother debate continued

[mummylin2495]

i was the last one !!!

since when was "intimidating" likely to appear in the Goody vocabularly (see today's News of the World's article)

can't bring myself to buy it. is there a link?

try here but seems to be temperamental atm . Perhaps if you actually bought the paper there was more but can't bring myself to do so !

Great post, Rosylily.
It's not like these women are particularly young though.
Danielle is 23.
Jade is 25.
Jo is 27.
They should know better.
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment "The important thing is that they learn and grow from the experience because I think we are here for that and no-one is perfect".
I hope it is not just the threat of loss of income that makes them remorseful though.

is there a copy of her interview? has she been interviewed since davina?

much as it is so unpleasant to see someone so upset,Jade has brought it on herself and her sympathy tears are not gonna sway me one little bit .she has now been exposed for what she really is .how on earth did she get to be the 20th most influential person ??? i have never seen the clip of her yelling at rik before , but hope fully the people who do act like this will now see that because of their actions ,all that they have strived for can be gone overnight for their lack of respect and bullying tactics.

Interview here. It also says Teddy Sherringham has dumped Danielle, Hurrah!

Give a damaged person, too much money, too much profile for free what did anyone expect. The irony now is that the public will bully Jade in the most dispicable manner. Of a naughty child we are told to explain why things are inappropriate, help them learn the right behaviour. of a damaged adult like jade we are told stone the pig! ironic really. I say that as not a Jade fan. I am just someone uncomfortable with what I think will become a sickening situation, the level of hostility that she is like is not likely to teach her the error of her ways but damage her further and what about her children?

despicable even!

But these are grown women, not children to be excused their poor behaviour. However hard Jade's life has been I bet it hasn't been anything like as tough as the upbringing that my mother had.

My mother grew up in grinding poverty in the 1930s, no shoes or food poverty. My m,other was poorly ignorent and could be very unPC on times. However she would have bitten out her tongue rather than insulted someone. She had standards.

And you don't need money or an education to be a decent person.

i dont think she should be bullied or stoned , but i do think she should now be completely ignored ,we can all do that by not buying anything that she is involved with.she has shown what a nasty human being she is ,but let us not forget the other two bitches also involved,will they be coming out with no audience ?has anyone heard yet

i agree martianbishop as i have said previously i also know people who have had a hard life and they now have good lives not because they had a bad childhood but in spite of it.Manners,respect and the knowledge of right and wrong are available to us all.

Call me cynical but gosh she does a very unbelieveable line in contrition, or in other words her PR do a great job of public contrition.
How on earth are we supposed to believe that someone whose language consists mostly of four letter words and basic but still incorrect sentence structures, to suddenly appear reasonably eloquent.

The other two are equally culpable by giving Jade the power and support to be Queen Persecutor.

Shameful.

MFT--- the thing is though, does jade want to change?

she might have an incentive to change now, as her career disapears in front of her eyes..but her incentive is money, not to change to simply be a better, well rounded person. it is all very well her realising now she has behaved badly, but up until this point ,she has been able to behave like this and be richly rewarded.

did she never look at any of her other bullying appearances on the other shows she has been in and wonder, maybe this is not appropriate behaviour ? no.

it is too little too late, to reach her age and not actually comprehend you cannot be a bully....until it all goes t*ts up..she lived my the media sword, now she will die by it....she has only herself to blame.

and maybe her agents are to blame to, as they must have realised the shenanigans that would h have ensued in CBB

mummylin thats what I think should happen tell her that this is unacceptable and then just ignore her. no spitting at her in the street, no column inches give to people who are nasty to her nothing. total media blackout.
MB the 30s was a very different time as was the 70's when I was growing up. though the 30's was different to the 70's they were both periods where people 'knew' their place. Different people react and develop differently in difficult situation. I am not excusing Jades behaviour but have seen places where it is the norm, however unacceptable I may have felt it. We live in a plastic society that values people who entertain more than those who create, heal, nurture - how much does an engineer earn, a scientist, a dr, a nurse, a teacher? how much for a celebrity? a footballer? and actor?

dont get me started on wages of footballers and nurses /docs etc !

lm why would she have thought she needed to change. We have Naomi,Kate, Russell Crowe, Mel Gibson, Paris Hilton, Courtney Love et all showing disgraceful behaviour - column inches for the press, money for the forementioned. If she feels that she is famous for 'telling it like it is' why wouldnt she start to believe the hype? Her behaviour toward shilpa is more about her own insecurities I believe. I am not justifying her behaviour far from it. However, I believe the best message you can send a person like that is to ignore their existence, no one can make any money et voila she is gone. Lets take the racisim and bullying thing all the way but lets keep Jade out of the process, that way the people pushing it forward are people who want change not just the poeple polarised by how they feel about Jade Goody.

LOL at the though of my family 'knowing their place' Radical socialism didn't go in for that sort of thing!

I don't think that the passage of time can excuse anything.

Poor behaviour is poor behavious. This woman was given a lot of money for being 'famously ignorent'. And what has she done with this money? Has she improved her understanding of this world? It would seem not.

I think that she is the worst possible example that can be set for our young women. The people at Channle 4 needs to be ashamed of themselves, and so does she.

I have seen far too many young bullies 'play the part' of the contite penitant, that lasts them just long enough to get out of trouble. And then they revert to type.

Good behaviour is good behaviour and has nothing to do with class. To sugest that it does is an insult to fine, decent people who haven't had one iota of Jade's chances in life.

during jades tirade at shilpa i actually could see the hurt and bewiderment in shilpa,s eyes.i felt so sorry for her,and cleo should of intervened.and told jade enough this has to stop right now.

MB - i am with you here. It would seem to em that the obvious thing to do in her situation (before CBB) would be to try and educate yourself.

She really is pretty disgusting and needs to sort out her temper and her language

i do agree with you MFT..just not quite sure what the last sentence meant ! i think all those slebs exhibiting nasty behaviour are as reprehensible, and none of them change either, despite many stints in anger management etc...because, like you say, they have no reason to change

maybe this will signal the tide turning

i cannot remember the last time the public turned like this , i am hopeful it shows that as a nation , we are less willing to accept this sort of behaviour

jade has been manipulated, as not one of her agents or advisers has encouraged her to get help for her clear and myriad insecurities and issues

mb am not suggesting that good behaviour is to do with class. Lets face it the so called higher eschelons of society are no advert for that. When I was a school we 'knew our place' the teacher was in charge and god help anyone misbehaving. We knew that we had nothing and we would have to work for what we got. now any one can amass a fortune for doing noting of any value.

She does look visibly shaken though and I would hate her to become the subject of some awful witch hunt.She was so wrong and such a bully and I for one hope this keeps people out of the papers who have no need to be there.

Magic, I know, it drives hell into me. I teach far too many kids who think that someone will just wave a wand and make them rich and famous.

And the kids in my classes also know how to behave

I think she's going to find it pretty difficult just go about and do day to day things.

I really hope people aren't abusive and lower themselves to the same level.

Danielle has said far worse things than Jade imho and Jo and Cleo's behaviour has been inexcusable and sincerely hope that is brought to account also.

It will interesting to see if there are any more 'no audience' evictions.

They should get on with it too, the best way is to get those 3 women out then give the others some interesting tasks and try and finish, if not on a high then at least on a more pleasant note.