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Junior Doctors Strike

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Lanchester · 25/04/2016 14:29

Do the Junior Doctors seriously think that they are still
respected for always putting the interest of their individual patient first?

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mudandmayhem01 · 25/04/2016 20:13

How many more people will die when the recruitment crisis in medicine really kicks in? I know several junior doctors who have either quit already or are considering quitting. Also consultant posts that used to be incredibly competitive to get into are beginning to go unfilled.

summersky11 · 25/04/2016 20:14

Here's my contact:
1 no pay rise
2 no changes to banding etc.
3 train more drs
4 Before we invest a penny in training them they have to sign a contract whereby they pay back a large percentage of their training costs if they work overseas

BMW6 · 25/04/2016 20:16

Having read the Telegraph article I do not support the strike.

summersky11 · 25/04/2016 20:16

what recruitment crisis? There are many more bright young people willing to train to be doctors than there are places for.Making them sign a restrictive practices agreement whereby they pay back what teh NHS has invested in them if they defect abroad would still leave medical schools full.with suitable candidates

Chchchchangeabout · 25/04/2016 20:19

Ah that's I teresting BMW6. Some stuff in there I didn't know.

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 20:20

Summersky there was a medical recruitment consultant specializing in recruitment to Australia on radio4, he said "no there isn't the market for uk drs there used to bE"

so maybe that is not such a big problem ?
agree that the thrats to go abroad are deeply unattractive

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 20:21

Threats not thrats!

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 20:23

Agree that it's a funny kind of recruitment crisis. Why so few training places?

Mrsmorton · 25/04/2016 20:28

summer Before we invest a penny in training them they have to sign a contract whereby they pay back a large percentage of their training costs if they work overseas will everyone who has a state subsidised university education have to sign this? Or a form saying that they're actually going to work and pay taxes?

Roseanddagger · 25/04/2016 20:36

All these extra training places. Who is going to teach these people, when they do placements on the ward, how are they going to get the valuable experience they need if they're tripping over 10 other medical students on placement?

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 20:36

I don't mind if a Jr Dr goes to live in Oz, people should be able to move

But I really object to the threat to do so being used as propaganda

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 25/04/2016 20:36

There is definetly a recruitment crisis of qualified Drs. Where I work we have a major staffing crisis. If one more GP in the CCG area leaves I don't know how we will manage. The number who have taken early retirement or emigrated in the last 12 months is scary. At my local GP surgery two of the Drs (not married) have gone abroad in the last six months.

Our large teaching hospital has only 4 a&e consultants and can't recruit. 4 drs is not enough to provide a 24/7 consultant cover and you need a consultant 24/7 in a&e. So we use a load of locums and it costs a fortune. Now the govt say we must impose a spending cap on locum rates but if we do that no one signs up for the shifts. This was meant to take place from beginning of April but we're having to ignore the new govt rules.....only other choice is to shut a&e a few days a week. This is in a fairly major city!

The CCG are seriously looking at closing the a&e at the other hospital in the county (over an hour away). They also struggle with staffing so closing that one and making one big unit in the city may help. But I feel sorry for the residents of this large town who will have to possibly travel for over an hour for a&e if this happens. The maternity unit is also under threat.

At my hospital due to staffing it is now not normally a doctor who is the anaesthetist in theatre. That's right a non doctor is the person who intubates you and maintains your airway. We use First Assistants who have done a 16 week course in how to do it. There is one anaesthetist between 4 theatres so if there is a problem they can run in and help.

Shakey15000 · 25/04/2016 20:47

I support the strike.

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 20:50

The solution then is to train more drs

Lots of people want to do the job, let's train them up

i am sure we can cope with having lots of trainees at once and there will no shortage of trainers - use the GPs who left,. for instance

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 25/04/2016 21:02

due to staffing it is now not normally a doctor who is the anaesthetist in theatre. really???! That is really worrying. Who are first assistants before they do the 16 week course, what kind of background do they come from?

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 25/04/2016 21:03

A first assistant would have been a nurse or possibly an ODP previously. In gynae or obstetric theatres they may have been a midwife.

sallysparrow157 · 25/04/2016 21:08

Up until a few months ago I was a junior doctor.
I'm now applying for a consultant job and working in an acute speciality.

We have one junior doctor and one consultant per shift. I am doing an extra consultant night shift tonight, covering one of my consultant colleagues who also works in intensive care, so she can cover ICU tomorrow. The 'junior' doctor working with me tonight (she is also working tomorrow night) has also completed her training and is about to start a consultant job.

Tomorrow, there's a consultant in the 'junior doctor' role and another in the consultant role. The next day there is an advanced nurse specialist in the 'junior doctor' role (he regularly works in this role, he isn't being used as a stop-gap, just doing his job)

Tomorrow and the next day I was meant to be teaching on a course for other doctors and nurses. It's been cancelled so all the consultants who'd taken study leave to attend or teach on this course are able to do clinical work instead.

We all support the junior doctors. All of us, inlcuding those striking, put patient safety above all else. No-one would strike if they thought they were putting the patients at risk. We as consultants/non training doctors/nurse specialists are working extra clinical shifts to keep our patients safe.

I can assure you that the service my team provides (which is a purely emergency service) will be EXACTLY the same as it would be on a non strike day. NO patients will be put at risk.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 25/04/2016 21:10

The solution then is to train more drs

At my medical school they really struggled to find clinical placements for us all. Medical students have to shadow doctors, be supervised seeing patients in clinics and operations, and receive teaching from doctors. It was really hard to find enough patients for us to see sometimes, and enough doctors with time to teach us.

As a junior doctor, having a medical student work with me or shadow me really slows things down. Many doctors love teaching, but you need time for it.

there will no shortage of trainers - use the GPs who left,. for instance my local GP training scheme cannot find enough qualified GP trainers to train trainee GPs. A trainee GP learns by working alongside a working GP, like an apprenticeship, so you can't use GPs who have left- they need to be working themselves. Most GPs around here are very, very busy and don't have the time to take on a trainee. You don't make much money from having a trainee and it is extra work and responsibility.

mountaintoclimb · 25/04/2016 21:12

Sallysparrow I don't understand the doctor ranking. All the publicity states that all doctors below consultant are junior doctors. If you are applying for a consultant post, doesn't that mean you are currently a junior doctor?

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 25/04/2016 21:20

I think if someone has passed their consultant exams they're technically a consultant but just without a consultant job, they could of course be doing locum consultant work.

MissTriggs · 25/04/2016 21:21

Thanks Hopelessly,
I take your point to an extent, though as a lawyer the ideas are a bit new to me
But these are problems not beyond the wit of woman.......it just needs a bit of focus surely?

VeganCanBeFabulous · 25/04/2016 21:38

I fully support the junior doctor strike.

stitch10yearson · 25/04/2016 21:46

To everyone who does not support the junior doctors strike..... seriously? You dont like free health care? You WANT to pay to see your GP when your child is ill? You want to worry about the cost of the visit to a hospital when your child breaks their arm?
The strikes are about making sure that patients are safe, and the NHS survives into the 21st century. The government is imposing a contract that will make the NHS fail, put patients at risk, and you think that is ok?

OrangesandLemonsNow · 25/04/2016 21:48

Stich People are entitled to their own opinion.