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Junior Doctors Strike

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Lanchester · 25/04/2016 14:29

Do the Junior Doctors seriously think that they are still
respected for always putting the interest of their individual patient first?

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YoungGirlGrowingOld · 25/04/2016 15:39

But Kate your comment is still technically inaccurate even if they are in a minority (and I would agree they are). There is an excellent article in today's Times written by a JD who is "anti" - also in a minority - but nonetheless an extremely perceptive article which does not fall into the histrionics that have unfortunately characterized the debate.

I am perfectly aware that DH's contract is next and I support that as well. His on call/weekend requirements are tiny compared to his remuneration (and he is still seeing more patients than any other consultant in his hospital). He has also worked abroad which perhaps colors his view of how "unfair" the NHS contract terms are (or are not). His private practice income is currently used for holidays/fun only so I certainly do not pretend that we are on the breadline and should be immune from the effect of this.

Lucked · 25/04/2016 15:41

In Scotland so no strike here but looking at my hospital I think cover would be fine.

Each of the specialties should have enough Consultants to cover for 48hrs, at least to the same level as weekend cover, there are lots of medical consultants in my hospital usually only a few on at weekends so send the rest to A&E/acute receiving.

FeralBeryl · 25/04/2016 15:42

I fully support the junior doctors' strike.

All of you up in arms about the cancelled ops for the day and risk to patients MUST see that this is for one short (highly protected by other disciplines) period.
The proposed changes are for good.
Please, please realise that this isn't about money, it's about patient safety, longevity of keeping staff without completely burning them out, reducing risk, and another for good measure-patient safety.
NHS staff would love a 7 day service, being held up for scans that aren't 'quite' urgent enough to bring in a radiologist but would change the pathway of care. But we just cannot implement this without adequate staffing which the Govt just aren't willing to bring in as it will foil their plans to dismantle the NHS

blueandgreendots · 25/04/2016 15:46

Well said Beryl. This diagram explains it all

Junior Doctors Strike
wiccamum · 25/04/2016 15:47

Here here FeralBeryl!!

I fully support the junior doctors, please don't let the negativity towards the strike hide this "stealth dismantling" of our NHS.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 25/04/2016 15:50

I fully support them too. I don't know anyone that doesn't, tbh.

I know of quite a few people that were behind them to start with, but that support is now starting to wain. Especially now with the withdrawal of emergency care.

WaspsandBeesSting · 25/04/2016 15:51

All of you up in arms about the cancelled ops for the day and risk to patients MUST see that this is for one short (highly protected by other disciplines) period.

My friend has has had their op cancelled twice now. I can understand why they are up in arms to be fair.

SpaceKablooie · 25/04/2016 15:57

I fully support the junior doctors strike too. This is about more than a few days of cancelled operations - it's about patient safety over the coming years / decades, and even the future of the NHS.

Dervel · 25/04/2016 16:15

I fully support the junior doctors, although truth be told I support the police, nurses, firefighters and teachers too. Problem is we don't in this country set aside enough of our GDP towards these vital services.

I no longer actually blame the government, we would never actually vote in a government that would tax us adequately to pay for all these things. It's our fault collectively.

Our current options are conservatives = cuts. Labour = more national debt. Neither are particularly palatable, but we'd never vote for a party that could actually fix all this thus it's all our faults really.

YoungGirlGrowingOld · 25/04/2016 16:15

I suspect that presenting themselves as "unmanageable" (which is how Hunt et al will see it) is grist to the mill of anyone who wants to privatize or break up the NHS. We all know the BMA is having its strings pulled by Corbyn and co. It's disappointing that they are not being a little more astute over the vested interests in play here.

I can't see how it's possible not to feel sympathy with those whose operations have been cancelled - it's a terrible burden to place on a patient and I thought the hooting, cheering and chanting by the JD's on the picket line was pretty distasteful in view of this serious disruption and risk to their health. Not everyone can afford to go private and its those that can't who will suffer most.

Chipstick10 · 25/04/2016 16:15

I don't support them. I suspect support is dwindling.

timeforabrewnow · 25/04/2016 16:16

I fully support the junior doctors striking.

grimbletart · 25/04/2016 16:20

My instinct has always been to support the junior doctors and believe them when they say it is about patient safety, not money.

But I found this an interesting take on the situation from a junior doctor who was supportive and had now changed his mind.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/25/why-i-no-longer-support-the-doctors-strike/

FaithLoveandHope · 25/04/2016 16:29

I don't support them at all. One because I don't think they should be putting lives and two because I don't actually agree with the premise of the strike. Yes they have studied for a long time but then so have many of the post doctoral researchers who get paid a similar amount and also work stupidly long hours.

Lindy2 · 25/04/2016 16:54

The junior doctors have lost my support for holding this strike.
If they are prepared to risk patients lives for their own gain then they are IMO in the wrong job.
They should hope it's not their own lives or someone they love that they are putting at risk .

Mrsmorton · 25/04/2016 17:19

Yes their training is subsidised but then so is everyone else's who has been to university. We don't expect everyone to work for a UK public service for a few years. Many many MNers are proud that they'll never repay their student loans because they're SAHPs. Why should that be subsidised?

Why won't hunt allow a pilot trial of the contract?

StinkyMcgrinky · 25/04/2016 17:27

I fully support the junior doctors strike.

I work with many junior, senior and student doctors and I fear for patient safety if Hunts plans come in. I fully understand people's frustrations at having operations cancelled etc...I honestly do, but I've also seen how much planning has gone into covering junior doctor shifts tomorrow and wouldn't be worried if me or any members of my family needed to attend A&E over the next two days.

ajandjjmum · 25/04/2016 17:30

I can't think of another profession Mrsmorton that's subsidised to the tune of £500,000 though.

For a pilot to work, people have got to want it to. Smile

VertigoNun · 25/04/2016 17:35

I support the doctors, this isn't about money. It's a fight against misogyny and the other HCP's will be next.

This was in the Tory manifesto, remember that when you next vote.

Mrsmorton · 25/04/2016 17:38

Vets must cost a lot to train, don't see them queuing to work for the PDSA or being expected to either.

Roseanddagger · 25/04/2016 17:43

Completely support the junior docs, for those who think this new contract won't put lives at risk you're living in cloud cuckoo land. If 48 hours of disruption can stop that then I'm willing to support them whilst they give it a go. And whilst not a JD I am a HCP and I know that our dept are not cancelling elective procedures and have instead cancelled consultants annual leave - and our service is as acute as it can get.

ClaraLane · 25/04/2016 17:48

I work in a hospital and the majority of my colleagues are happy to suck up 48 hours of disruption in the hopes that it might possibly mean we don't end up with the eventual disbanding of the NHS. Yes it's a pain in the arse for 48 hours but the enforcement of the contracts will led to years and years of issues.

ClaraLane · 25/04/2016 17:50

We've cancelled around 1000 outpatient appointments for tomorrow and 70 planned operations however all emergency operations and treatment will go ahead. It is partly about pay but the main reason is because of the unsafe staffing regulations. My junior doctors work themselves into the ground on a daily basis and I know there is no way they would cope if things were to get worse. Plus we have terrible nursing shortages in our hospital as well, if our doctors numbers go down too then we're in a prime position for the private sector to swoop in and take us over.

Kummerspeck · 25/04/2016 17:52

I support them so far but think the BMA is being very cynical and manipulative.

We are very short of doctors and have lots of young people wanting to be medics yet, apparently, they do not allow more medical school places to prevent any potential oversupply and to maintain their own power.
Over the years, other professions allied to the NHS have asked for their support as their funding and contracts have been changed but they have always said each profession must stand alone as it has never affected them before and they have been doing very nicely. Now this has hit them it is suddenly not about an individual profession but about the future of the NHS. I will be interested to see if they help the nurses and others in future or not

theredjellybean · 25/04/2016 17:55

kummer...i am a doctor but not a JD...i would be even more vocal and voracious in my support of the nurses and hope they strike too when the government moves in on their weekend pay rates as they are not paid well already !