Junior Doctors Strike

[Lanchester]

Do the Junior Doctors seriously think that they are still
respected for always putting the interest of their individual patient first?

"The degree is attractive. The job isn't. If it was we wouldn't have such a high attrition rate post graduation."

so here we have the problem.

Evidence for these attrition rates please?

I would hate the US system but I would love to have the same level of care that my DSis receives in France (or that I received in Germany). The NHS is a million miles away from that.

I have just seen a guest post about Morecambe - babies killed my negligence and poor management. And yet doctors still think their pay should be top of the agenda? Have you no shame?

You got to university with a grant. It was a different world back then. It has changed and not for the better.

Not my employers responsibility, no - lol - but my society's responsibility to give everyone an opportunity to earn a living.

You are idiots if you do not support them.

Ooh look another quality lefty argument!

No, not idiots - some of us have actually read the contract.

Bingo ... You are misquoting me ... Just like you misquoted your own salary info source... Why not make more effort to be correct

When I had kids I was forced to give up my career because the hours I worked were incompatible with childcare. I then had to retrain and get a job which fitted around my DH's so we could juggle the children's needs, it wasn't easy but its called LIFE.

If I had went to my original employer and said you have to organise your business around my children she would have wet herself laughing. Had I continued with, if you don't organise your business around my children I will walk out on strike, she would have probably went to A&E from roflmao damage.

The only reason Doctors are getting away with it is because they think they are better than everyone else.

Bungo then go and grumble to society about it. Once you're done, get on with the job that you have chosen (and for which you are paid handsomely). Or leave.

Bingo. ... Not Bingo

"The Junior Drs have the NHS and most imporantly the Pts at the heart of everything they do."

they seem to think so which worries me
do they not learn the concept of conflict of interest? You can't claim to be objective if your own salary and working hours are involved. You have expertise, but you also have a conflict of interest that's as clear as it gets.

I think that's what puts me off - and other people too.

the campaigning drs need to understand that they aren't objective, any more than the rest of us would be in the circumstances.

I don't think comparing the systems in frame or Germany is helpful when those countries pay more per person for their health care than we do. A quick Google also shows that the average salary for medical graduates in hose countries is higher than in the UK too.

BUNGO not bingo

Actually young
I was born blue.
But I'm also a nurse.
Who yesterday worked a 14 hour shift.
And I'm tired, tired tired.
I think what that cunt is doing is absolutely sickening.
I pay 7% into my NHS pension, and by the time I come to take it, he would have destroyed a marvellous institution, one of the best healthcare systems in the world to line his back pockets!!

For those who think the proposed contract is all sunshine and flowers eg the poster who is convinced they'll be getting more money for less hours why do YOU think they're striking? Surely if it's a fantastic contract it would have been snapped up?!

FeedMyFaceWithJaffaCakes - the new contract reduces maxium shifts by 1 hour, I guess you're in favour of it then?

How is any of this discussion an excuse for so called 'professionals' abandoning care of their vulnerable patients?
Patients who have trained them and paid them well.
The JDs and their leaders in their BMA Union are losing their self respect and former position of respect in society.

Feed

It's been a pretty fucking long way from "marvelous" in my experience... And I think you will find that your 7% would buy you a piss poor annuity relative to the NHS pension you will receive. So it's not all bad...

They aren't abandoning their patients.
There is cover all day today, for emergencies,provided by consultants at all levels.
From a&e to maternity.
Everywhere is covered.
Routine stuff has been delayed.
Don't believe everything you read in the daily fail.

They aren't abandoning their patients.
There is cover all day today, for emergencies,provided by consultants at all levels.
From a&e to maternity.
Everywhere is covered.
Routine stuff has been delayed.
Don't believe everything you read in the daily fail.

www.foundationprogramme.nhs.uk/index.asp?page=home/keydocs#fpar

Scroll down to Foundation Programme Annual Report, see Career Destination Report 2015. Relevant page is page 4 Table 4. Only half go on to Specialty Training in the UK. It was over about 70% three years ago, and even higher before that.

I am not in favour of anything Jeremy Hunt does.
I think he should be sacked.
Along with that prick Gove.
Eurgh.

So everything is covered and patients are not in danger.....but JD's are indispensable and deserve more money?

FeedMyFaceWithJaffaCakes
You are paying 7% but the taxpayer is paying TWICE that %
And anyway the pension benefits are probably not fully funded even by that 21% total contributions.
Otherwise, how come nothing similar is available to private sector workers at 21 or even 30% total contribution rate?
Your user name sounds very apt !

Consultants cannot cover forever and ever.
But because they support their colleagues (like nurses and so on and so forth) the cover is there)
You do know, that it is a FACT that Hunt has blatantly lied and lied and lied to persuade the country of the need for this new contract? (I.e more chance of deaths at the weekend? THIS IS A LIE!!)

IMO doctors are striking because they feel the NHS is underfunded in general. But that has nothing to do with the new doctors contracts, so its just an excuse. There is no more money and people are only willing to say they will pay more tax until they get into a private polling booth, where they very quickly change their minds.

So end the strike its misguided.

Lanchester are you saying I'm fat?
Why are you getting personal?
Because that is rather rude if you are.