organic food isnt better for you, i thought i would point that out

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organic food isn't bettr for you

there are lots of diff species of salmon.

(she said, grasping )

Don't know. We need a chicken dietician

"namby pamby more money than sense middle class mothers who go to stupid farmer's markets etc"

ROFL Xenia, you just get funnier and funnier, it's truly beautiful "

I thought htat might be a popular line. Should have been farmers' not farmer's. Sorry.

The other issue people forget is background radiation in nature too, parts of Cornwall etc.

How bad it is for you depends very much on how good you are at detoxifying all the crap. Some will be better than others. There is a theory that the rise in autism is because the children who aren't particularly good at detoxifying various chemicals are being affected. They're our caged canaires.

I don't necessarily completely buy that (not the entire rise for sure) but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there is a subset of the population who are more at risk from these things than others. DS1 and ds3 show certain types of gut damage that it has been suggested may be linked to organophosphates.

You can see why I am confused....

I prefer wild alaskan salmon over farmed organic but was left gobsmacked over the oclour issue by some programme on the TV. Wild salmon cannot be coloured, unless posthumously?

Chicken and diet also leaves me speechless. I can see that farmers could offer chickens, free range or organic, different types of feed e.g. organic chickens offered organic grain; free range offered a 'feed' made of grain bound together with oils/fats in the same way we might put out something that hung from a tree consisting of grain bound together by fat. But my understanding of free-roaming animals is that they will only ever consume the calories they need. So a chicken fed with more fat will consume less of the fat-bound food than a chickwn offered grain only. Unless it's a lazy-by-nature chicken. Do they occur in the animal world like they do in the human world?

chickens eat grubs and worms and things as well- not just grain.

LOL. Am having a vision of a fat-bastard chicken sitting there watching TV every day and not bothering to look for seeds, grain etc.

I was wondering if worms were high fat.

And creepy crawlies. Lots of protein I suppose, but are they fatty?

yummy yummy mealworms

Soory meant to mention worms.

Are worms and grubs on non-organic farm fattier than those on organic farm?

And how is chicken's intake controlled?

40% fat!

Chickens' (if referring to multiple chickens)

broiler chickenss don't move much though so they won;t burn anything off.

maybe...if they are particularly lazy creepy crawlies and worms... is there no end to the sloth???

One of the things I remember from Universiity is that chickens like to scratch, and if they can't (as in stuffed in a wire cage) they get distressed.

Size zero chickens, a modern malaise.

But jimjams we are talking tesco's free range 'named farmer' chickens who wander through pasture and hedgerow.

Not your average stuffed in a cage, fat in a few weeks, legs can't stand its weight chicken....

hunker

maybe the two diff chickens are totally diff breeds. that might account for it, no? and the lower fat ones were selected for higher price bracket b/c they know thats sought after...?

Oh heck. I'm choosing chicken with an eating disorder. BMI

How about forgetting about the 'you' and thinking about the 'them' - the people that work with pesitsides daily, the animals pumped full of anitbiotics, etc, etc..?

One small step for the consumer...

Pesticides

well, if i dont buy the intensively farmed stuff i am not supporting the industry which exposes its workers to such things. is that not good enough?

a step int he right direction at least... and if oldfashioned/proper/organic farming techniques are more labour/time intensive, as DC said i think, then im creating jobs into the bargain, no??

Chicken News: Free-range is not as good as it sounds. Current EC requires free-range indoor space = 27.5kg of bird per sq metre and outdoor space 1 bird per 1 sq metre. Access to the great outdoors can be restricted.

The label 'Traditional Free Range' means that chickens are kept in mobile homes that are moved to clean pasture. Usually fewer birds are housed together.

'Free Range Total Freedom' means that they have outdoor access 24/7 to 5sq m per bird. Pretty good.

Other welfare factors such as transport, light, heat etc are no different to the factory farmed chicken. And they can still be fed growth-promoting antibiotics, high protein diets (soya, fishmeal)

RSPCA Freedom Food and Little Red Tractor labels are 'better kept' but not necessarily free range.

Organic means the chickens are fed either organic corn or GM free cereal pellets and peck at grass, bugs, worms etc. And they are not given antibiotics routinely. Stocking densities are max 25kg of birds per sq m (Soil Association birds are usually kept in much smaller numbers than that).

Well, you did ask...