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organic food isnt better for you, i thought i would point that out

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Tortington · 08/01/2007 21:22

organic food isn't bettr for you

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fishie · 08/01/2007 21:59

natural selection at work - people who eat crap die earlier.

beckybrastraps · 08/01/2007 22:01

It's not just about what goes into our bodies though is it? It's about the impact of farming on the environment.

And we are composed of chemicals. We need to know what chemicals we're talking about.

Pruni · 08/01/2007 22:01

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2nervesleft · 08/01/2007 22:05

Twickersmum Organic Shampoo has an ingredient in it which has been produced organically. Usually just the one, the 65 chemicals in it have been produced in the lab. Very misleading I think. I usually only buy stuff that is approved by the Soil Association.

My Dad has an allotment but he is not organic. He does like his slug pellets.

PeachyClair · 08/01/2007 22:05

I love the MC mothers do organic bit, coz I have just a huge bump up the class syetm if that's right LOL MIL will be proud

I like organic food, I don't only eat it.

I like the taste. I like the fact that its enabling farmers to keep their farms profitable. I like the fact that it is far better for wildlife diversity- and thereby the ecosystema s a whole- not to pump chemicals into our fields that eliminate whole subgrops of creatures. I love the fact that the boxes are seasonal, and give my boys a sense of natures timescales many kids 9and adults) these days don't possess. I love the facts that they get to taste a wide range of veg each week without me just grabbing what looks familiar (I know the last 2 could exist in non organic, but still).

I'm NOT keen on them being experiments for chemicals that haven't yet been proved to do harm... erm... not for me ta.

Years ago, with the pg condition I had I'd have been prescribed thalidomide. Its only timesacle that sved me that one, so I'm doing the best i can to avoid giving my kids stuff that time hasn't shown us what it can do yet.

NappiesGalore · 08/01/2007 22:08

"By Greensleeves on Mon 08-Jan-07 21:46:01
It pisses me off when these twats refer to chemically assisted modern farming as "conventional methods" and organic farming as some sort of weird new-fangled fad. The truth is quite the reverse. Idiots."

hear hear.

PeachyClair · 08/01/2007 22:08

Oh and I refuse to trust a Government who have a big interest in the success of GM foods for advice. And the number of foodstuffs not allowed in the USa (hardly a role model country of awareness lets be frank) and us is staggering.

DominiConnor · 08/01/2007 22:17

Actually the point is that the chemicals have been tested. At length and at great expense.
It would be mildly suprising if there was a major diffence in the health of organic food buyers.
That's not to say that the residues are good for you, and it is entirely possible that the tests have missed something.

As it happens my mother was given Thalidomide, but that proves nothing about anything.

All foods are stuffed full of chemicals, food is chemicals. That's what it is.
All food except (ironically) sugar contains known toxins, and even a suiperficial reading of the damaging effects of the alkaloids found in all leaves makes their consumption appear much less attractive.

Sugar is pretty much unique since it's production means that white sugar is easily the purest thing most people eat.
Reckon it's healthy ?

The environmental impact is not always easy to figure. The soil association can't keep up with innovations, so apparently better processes are "banned". Ironically, last time I looked Copper Sulphate was allowed...

The soil association has a blanket ban on GM.
That means lower yields which means that more has to be grown, whichmeans more use of water etc.
The idea of organic cotton, made me laugh out loud.
The BBC carried it as a straight news story.

noddyholder · 08/01/2007 22:22

I think what they mean is that an organic apple or a regular apple have the same number of vitamins and minerals calories and overall nutritional value BUT the ordinary ones also have toxic chemicals and additives and don't taste as good

PeachyClair · 08/01/2007 22:24

I know they've been tested and of course I understand that all things are chemical. But I still don't get why that mean its wise to test how these things will affect my children (or their children of course) when administered 5 times daily over X number of years from a few months after birth.

I grew up on organic simply because my aprents grew their own in ther garden and used only natural compost. I can't grow the food myself (tooa rse lazy) but I still want that idea for my kids.

Its a personal choice. I don't necessarily believe that the chemicals ADDED to non-organic stuff will kill you, I just don't want to eat it too much.

Sugar is OK in small amounts for most people.

fannyannie · 08/01/2007 22:24

"Actually the point is that the chemicals have been tested. At length and at great expense."

So why, each year, are numerous chemicals taken out of use and considered no longer suitable for use on argicultural goods??

Fauve · 08/01/2007 22:29

There have been studies showing that organic milk has more Omega 3 in it than non-organic - so that means organic butter and cheese do too. And that's just one factor.

The Food Standards Agency is completely corrupt in my view, and we all know the government is.

MadamePlatypus · 08/01/2007 22:35

I don't really care about vegetables, but until they come up with a lable guaranteeing certain standards of animal welfare for eggs, cheese, milk and meat, the organic classification is the best available.

hunkermunker · 08/01/2007 22:36

I knew this would be your thread, Custy

I defy anyone to eat ordinary salmon then organic salmon and not prefer the organic.

I am loving the "if the Government say it's safe, then of course it is!" line on this thread though - and as for the implication that GM food is the future from DC [boggles]

PeachyClair · 08/01/2007 22:40

Yeah HM

coz garlic bread is the future

EVERYBODY nows that

hunkermunker · 08/01/2007 22:42

It is?!

Caligula · 08/01/2007 22:42

So agree re salmon

fortyplus · 08/01/2007 22:43

Article in the BMJ said that if you only buy one organis thing - make it milk. That's where most of the toxins in our diet come from. The pesticides on veg can be washed off. I still usually buy organic veg as I believe it's better for the environment even if it isn't better for me!

SueW · 08/01/2007 22:46

Ooh, the salmon thing. Please tell me more.

Why is organic salmon very pale and wild alaskan salmon bright pink?

I am v irritated by this whole business at the mo having had a good look at Tesco's skinless chikcen breasts recently. Organic has 0.8g fat per portion vs 2.9g fat in free range. Both are allowed to roam hedgerows and pastures freely, according to the packet, but Tesco customer service advise me that the organic chickens are fed a fat-free diet. Don't get me started on their healthy living range..... and the fact that portion sizes in that are around 25% smaller than in other ranges so the figures on the front MAY appear better.....

NappiesGalore · 08/01/2007 22:48

based on no actual evidence, but i do wonder about this 'pesticides can be washed off' theory... surely, if the plant and soil have been treated with pesticides from seedling upwards, the 'bad' chemicals are a bit more intrinsically involved in the fruit/vegetable than sitting on the skin??

NappiesGalore · 08/01/2007 22:49

because they dont dye the organic fish. the colour is dye.

Caligula · 08/01/2007 22:50

Why are organic chickens fed a fat free diet?

Are they all supermodel chickens? Would they eat fat-free naturally?

Caligula · 08/01/2007 22:50

SueW - get the wild salmon, not farmed. It just tastes completely different. Like salmon used to taste.

NappiesGalore · 08/01/2007 22:51

oh, sorry -wild alaskan salmon is bright pink... um, different species?

i think farming in general not great for fish and they get the colour from swimming about and living it large in a fishy way.... but farmed non organic salmon is dyed to make it loo more like the wild stuff, wheras organic farmed is not.

NappiesGalore · 08/01/2007 22:52

er, what do chickens eat 'naturally'? its grain n stuff, isnt it? sounds prtty fat free to me....

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