is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

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Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

The Trump Comedy Tour keeps rolling its way through America as Trump lays in to Anthony Weiner, Huma's husband. This has got to go down as the most entertaining election cmapign anywhere in the world. World "leaders" are terrified. The people are laughing.

Meanwhile the media pretends that Trump fans clash violently with the left wingers, when it is in fact the protected left wing rabble who are violent, are attacking Trump fans and are burning American flags.

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/donald-trump-california-protesters/

Wish you'd joined the EU, right? Our flags have to be flame retardant

although claig is allegedly in the UK

I got my eyebrows done yesterday. The receptionist came back and said a family member had called for her. She told the receptionist that she would call back as she was with a customer (me). I told her it was fine to take the call. Her reply shocked me. She told me her cousin had been killed the prior day but she had zero patience for the wailing because her cousin was in a gang. She looked me dead in the eye and said she was sick and tired of the gangs that operate but that it's the only way her cousin saw as a way to make money.

She went on to say that the problem with Clinton is that she tells a coal miner we have clean fuel as a new technology that we should be embracing. However the reality is the new industries she talks about employ far fewer people. She said she was voting for trump because he is the only candidate actually talking about the problems she and her family face. She said he isn't perfect but at least he is saying something needs to be done while Hilary Clinton is in lala land with her 'I'll give it to Bill to sort out'.

For a lovely young girl who did an amazing job with my eyebrows her words were clear 'I'm trump all the way. I have to be given my industry'. Yes I paid $30 for my brows but thinking about it no illegals were employed, the place was spotless and they did an excellent job. I paid what it should cost.

You're facing a choice:
Jobs in the coal industry and other pollutant and other climate change driving industries
Vs
Rising sea levels, more serious storms, more deadly heatwaves, desertification of current grain producing regions.

The solution is not to turn a blind eye, like Trump proposes.

This is what we all are facing.
mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/science/sea-level-rise-global-warming-climate-change.html
Unless he's thinking of creating new jobs in building sea defences.
And emergency aid for storm hit areas, or huge canals to take water to the new desert areas.

Wow

That post has it all

'Illegals' (yikes)
A young girl who is as callous about human life as any trump supporter
fictional miners

It's like ayn rand, but in cartoon form

Chapeau Supermum

Ps I had my brows done yesterday, and the lovely girl who did a pan amazing job assured me that although trump panders to the absolute worst white supremacist tendencies of the electorate, I needn't fear as the moral arc of the universe is long, it bends towards justice

I posted because what she said shocked me. This how everyday americans are thinking. She talked and I listened. I don't agree with her but she is entitled to her opinion. I asked her what she thought of Bernie and she said he had plenty of time to prove himself and make changes but that the democrats have been given lots of chances and are not supporting people like her who are doing everything right to avoid gang life. She is trying her best for herself and her 8 month old daughter.

I actually felt very sorry for her. She has a cosmetology license and is working as hard as she can to get ahead and provide for her family. Her husband is working overtime too on the local road project on the night shift so they have minimal childcare costs at the moment. They earn too much to qualify for help and not enough to afford the basic childcare places that would give her child the best start in life once her daughter is 18 months old.

What many people have forgotten is that these people have become rather callous about life because no one has given or shown any care or concern. Trump is the first to successfully base his campaign aimed squarely at these groups.

After listening to her yesterday I really hope we have a choice of Bernie in November. Clinton is not fit to be President.

Oh and when I asked if she needed help with affording clothes etc for her daughter she looked wide eyed. I happened to have been to target for end of year gift cards for my children's teachers and gave her one. I might not agree with her political views but I empathize with anyone trying to do the best for their children. Sometimes people deserve a break and I thought her family was very deserving.

World "leaders" are terrified. The people are laughing.

They really aren't, you know.

Clinton is not fit to be President.

Clearly, the choice is not great. BUT do you really think Trump is the best option here?
And because he is choosing to ignore climate change?

Giving hypothetical jobs, lowering taxes that can't really be lowered, leaving ISIS to be taken care of by Russia and Syria and only intervening if he can get his hands on oil? Building unrealistic walls and dreaming of preventing any muslim from entering the country? Having no idea what to do with nuclear weapons?

I know neither claig nor supermum are interested in actual, checkable facts (that can, incidentally, be found using Google in about two minutes) but perhaps others will be:

Coal mining jobs in the USA in 1923 (earliest and highest figure I can find): around 700,000 (source: National Mining Association). The numbers employed fell steeply in the post war period due to mechanisation (coal mining is dangerous; mechanisation makes it not only cheaper, but safer)

Renewable energy employment in the USA in 2014: 724,000
Source: International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA)

Employment in coal mining has risen during the Obama administration ...

Coal mining has been hit by shale and by the EPA regulations of what Trump calls "political extremists". The employment figures in renewables probably include solar panel fitters and are not really comparable to coal mining wages and jobs.

Don't say that Want2beSpermum is not interested in facts. She prefers Bernie to Trump or sees it as close, but prefers Trump to Clinton just like millions of other Americans do. The world "leaders" don't, but fortunately they don't have a vote.

Personally I think Bernie is the best option right now. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton I am left with a shrug and scratching my head to think about who is the lesser of the two evils. It's a close call but Trump wins right now by a hair.

This is what the world "leaders" are terrified of because their bosses will give them major non-stop bollockings if they are not able to stop Trump overturning their entire game. World "leaders" are praying that Trump doesn't mean what he says and is only playing to the crowd to give the people what they want. But they don't understand Trump and the revolution he represensts.

"Would Trump Undo Obama's Environmental Legacy?

Of the tens of thousands of words spoken by Donald Trump in the 11 months since launching his Republican presidential primary blitzkrieg, very few involved specifics on energy and environmental policy. Yes, it’s true that in the past, i.e. 2012-2015, he called climate change a variety of epithets: a “hoax,” “bullshit” and a “con job.” But Trump’s verbal volatility and ability to flip-flop on any policy have made his actual policy positions difficult to pin down.
...
. “He doesn’t believe in climate change, he doesn’t believe in the ozone hole, and he talks about dismantling the EPA.”
...
“He’s going to be an old-school pro-business Republican with a harder edge,” said Mike McKenna, a GOP strategist who deals with energy and environment issues. “He would target the things that underpin the whole structure of the Obama environmental policy. He’ll look at the Clean Power Plan and say, ‘Are we out of our frigging mind?’”"

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/17/would_trump_undo_obamas_environmental_legacy_130583.html

World "leaders" are having sleepless nights, the people are laughing, and the bollockings for world "leaders" from their bosses have already begun.

'Personally I think Bernie is the best option right now'

Want2be, Bernie is a socialist, a big government believer, he will kill enterprise and American capitalism which made America the strongest country in the world. Trump is a businessman. It is jobs that lie at the heart of a good society because jobs create employment and wealth. Trump will put America first and the American people first. The world "leaders" and their bosses will have no say in American policy, Trump will tell them where to get off. Their game is over, America is back and prosperity and American jobs will return. Bernie has been in government for 40 years, he has no influence, he can't beat Wall Street, they are far too shar and clever for him, but against Trump they have met their match.

Trump will have very little say in American policy himself if he can't get things through Congress. You can tell lots of people where to get off if you like, but leading a country successfully is a fine balancing act of leadership and diplomacy. If you're just rude to everyone you won't get very far. In fact Trump reminds me of Cersei (without the good looks and incest..) and see how well that turned out.

And world 'leaders' are actually people who lead governments throughout the world (if you mean who you seem to mean) so I'm not sure why the scare quotes?

'And world 'leaders' are actually people who lead governments throughout the world (if you mean who you seem to mean) so I'm not sure why the scare quotes?'

I put "leaders" in quotes, not "scare" quotes, but quotes that emphasise the ridiculousness of considering these puppets to be "leaders", because they are not leaders, they are total puppets, totally controlled and fearful who do exactly what they are told over climate change and everything else, which is why they are so fearful of Trump. They can't stump the Trump, and the whole world will see what puppets these "leaders" are when Trump gets in and they grovel and bow to him.

The latest from Camille Paglia. She thinks Hillary will not be the nominee, she thinks Biden may have to step in.

"Over on the GOP side, Donald Trump continues to gain strength, despite the nonstop artillery barrage of Democratic operatives and their clone army in the mainstream media. Trump just rolls on and on, despite every foot-in-mouth gaffe that would stop a normal campaign cold. He’s terrific on the radio, I must say. Even though I do like Elizabeth Warren (I even believe she has Native American ancestry, although certainly not enough to qualify her for affirmative action), I burst out laughing in my car last week when I heard Trump confidingly say (like a yenta at Zabar’s deli), “She’s a woman that has been very ineffective—except that she has a big mouth.” His New York comic timing was spot on. I laughed out loud again this week when I heard Trump interrupt his press conference to tag an ABC reporter as “a sleaze”—at which I am sure thousands of other radio listeners heartily cheered. It’s been a long time since any major politician had the chutzpah to tell the arrogant, double-dealing East Coast media what most of the country thinks about them.
...
Trump is a stormily dynamic change-maker who will surely win this election unless the Democrats get their house in order and nominate a figure of honor and integrity. Bernie Sanders, who represents the wave of the future, is my first choice, but Joe Biden, with his international experience, would be a solid second. If the kamikaze party wants to nominate an ethically challenged incompetent like Hillary Clinton, then I’ll be voting Green for the second time. Go, Jill Stein!"

www.salon.com/2016/06/02/zombie_time_at_campaign_hillary_camille_paglia_on_trumps_real_strength_and_clintons_fatal_sleepwalking/

"Trump will have very little say in American policy himself if he can't get things through Congress."

Trump will get the Republicans to win Congressional elections. We are going to witness a political revolution the like of which the world "leaders" have never seen.

The Guardian thinks it is anti globalisation populism, but they don't really understand what it is because they are part of the problem. It is anti political correctness which is why Bernie cannot beat Trump.

"Trump, Brexit and demand for change: the year of the political outsider

As the US prepares for turbulent party conventions and Britain’s EU referendum approaches, experts question whether backlash against globalisation will last
...
Ted Alden, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, describes the otherwise obscure address as “the most important foreign policy speech of the year” – strong words in a year of Trump and Clinton counter-blasts.

“Watching the current presidential campaign and the rise of Donald Trump’s rightwing populism, it is easy to close your eyes and hope that this will be a passing moment, like, say, Pat Buchanan’s GOP bid in 1996 or Ross Perot’s third-party run in 1992,” says Alden.

“But the leader of a $300bn company cannot afford to bet on wishful thinking. And so, Immelt said, General Electric is already retooling its business based on the expectation that the current backlash against globalisation is not a passing moment, but rather a new reality to which business has no choice but to respond.”

This challenge to the postwar consensus in favour of free trade and free-market orthodoxy is perhaps what distinguishes the current crop of political outsiders most."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/04/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-brexit-anti-establishment-politics

The think tanks, the servants, the business class and the puppets all know this revolution will not go away. But it is not just anti globalisatin, it is anti political correctness which spells the end of their spin and tricks to control the people.

It's all over. It's Trump 2016.

"Donald Trump is leading a political revolution in America, not Bernie Sanders — and that should terrify everyone

Trump's revolution is purposeless, but voter participation shows his campaign is where the momentum lies "

www.salon.com/2016/03/03/donald_trump_is_leading_a_political_revolution_in_america_not_bernie_sanders_and_that_should_terrify_everyone/

The Trump revolution terrifies world "leaders" and puppets, but it makes the people laugh.

As Camille Paglia, a Democrat, also laughs at the revolution that will sweep the spinners and liars away.

"I laughed out loud again this week when I heard Trump interrupt his press conference to tag an ABC reporter as “a sleaze”—at which I am sure thousands of other radio listeners heartily cheered. It’s been a long time since any major politician had the chutzpah to tell the arrogant, double-dealing East Coast media what most of the country thinks about them."

World "leaders" are having sleepless nights, the people are laughing, and the bollockings for world "leaders" from their bosses have already begun.

None of that is true. I know Trump lies, you don't have to follow his example.

Trump, ever modest, shows how different and how more confident he is than the other puppet politicians. He says he doesn't like the term "American exceptionalism, maybe it is because I haven't got a big ego and I don't need terms like that".

"I haven't got a big ego"

Not so much big as rather extreme.

Trump delivering an outstanding, earth shattering speech. Incredible stuff. Nothing can stop him.

He says he will deliver a speech about the Clintons probably on Monday. He is going all out for it. The Clintons must be bricking it. It looks like Trump will go for broke. Nothing like this has ever been seen in politics.