is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

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Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

Hello, I have been following this thread with interest and noted further down Claig saying she supports Trump as he would give America back to the people, and the establishment are up in arms because they are working towards a one world government.

Claig insinuates a one world government is not such a great thing, and I was just wondering what the reasons for this are - being that we are in such disarray and half the world is in poverty and the other is drowning in riches; to put a stop to footballers being paid £500k a week to kick a ball around (for example) and bring some order and sense back to the whole world.

'a one world government is not such a great thing, and I was just wondering what the reasons for this are'

Because as in George Orwell's 1984, Big Brother didn't really love you although he said he did. The real controllers are not the puppets we see on TV and they don't love us. A one world governmrnt is the dream of the oligarchs and autocrats because it allows them to rule 7 billion people with a bunch of unaccounatble bureaucrats and puppets without bothering about democracy where they can impose GM food and TTIP deals without asking the people for the benefit of the corporations.

All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The puppets will all have their own charidees and pretend they care, but they will start their "humanitarian wars", siphon off public money for their charidees and expenses and arbitrarily decide what is best for the people without asking them if they agree.

The ultimate goal of the autocrats is "population control" under the guise of "saving the planet" with their charidees, and they will get their puppets to implement it for them and it won't be to the advantage of the people who will be controlled.

Trump is the end of the globalists' plans which is why they all fear him so much. Trump is the return of the nation state and national sovereignty which is the best structure to provide democratic government where the people have the right to kick the cronies out. Trump reverses all their plans, he reverses their climate and sustainability plans, he puts a spanner in their wheel and ends their game. That is why they are all petrified of him worldwide and why he is so good for the people.

Roger Stone said Trump is for real, he knows their game and he is going to end it. He said Trump won't sell out, he won't let the people down.

Trump says at the end of his rallies

"You will remember this evening in 20 years' time and you will be so proud of our country"

Trump is one of us, not one of them. Trump is for the prople, not for them. That is why they all fear him so much in Davos and worldwide.

A one global state can sound good, but not in practice. It's only too easy for a government to be under par or downright dangerous.
Having different countries and regimes means that, at worst, those in the worst run countries can go elsewhere, or regimes are toned down due to international pressure.
But that is not to say that we shouldn't have international cooperation or that it should be each country for itself.

'But that is not to say that we shouldn't have international cooperation or that it should be each country for itself.'

Absolutely, deals and negotiations and cooperation between countries that maintain the sovereignty and the right to exit from agreements of sovereign countries, just as we now have the right to exit from the EU. That is why Trump will tear up the globalists' free trade deals like NAFTA and TPP etc and renegotiate new deals that respect US sovereignty.

Awful, maudlin, lachrymose, syrupy, politically correct campaign suspension speech by Kasich. Totally not up to the job at that level. I hope Trump doesn't make the mistake of choosing him as VP.

Stump for Trump sisters video shown on BBC Newsnight now.

"Stump for Trump, baby. Don't get it twisted!"

We NEED a world government, to prep for when the aliens land, or they'll colonise our planet, enslave & eat us anal probes
I want them to build a Space Navy with the starship Enterprise, so we can boldly go etc, wear cute uniforms and do the colonising.
When I watched the moon landings (on TV, not from the moon) I never dreamt that nearly 50 years later we'd have made so little progress in womanned space flight.
No Waitrose or M&S lingerie dept on the moon
< wanders off, muttering, to plan a world government >

Kimd of like the EU x 10, too inefficient to be oppressive, but lets us wander aorund the world and has the resources to expand into the Solar System.

I thought TTIP with EU was designed to enable US companies loot Europe. Surely Trump would approve of that

We DON'T need a world government while we still have Will Smith.

I thought TTIP was an especially bad deal for the EU countries too. When Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue for it, I thought that sounded like the place most EU countries would want to have.
Trump will be all for the US and to hell with the rest of the world. He has said as much and demonstrated it again and again. TTIP is his kind of deal.

'I thought TTIP with EU was designed to enable US companies loot Europe. Surely Trump would approve of that'

No, because Trump is unlike any other politician, he is not a puppet, he is not "bought and paid for", he is not in the pocket of the corporations or Wall Street like the rest of the grifters climbing the greasy pole with their charidees and Foundations. Trump is a billionaire, he doesn't need their money, he is not earning a buck like the puppets.

Trump's whole campaign is about ending the free trade deals and that is why he will become President, because on the economy he outscores Clinton and every other puppet. TTIP creates a court structure that settles trade disputes with courts that are above the sovereignty of the countries. Trump won't have that. Trump says that if Carrier move to Mexico, he will hit them with 35% taxes if they want to import their goods back into the US. Under TTIP and the other free trade deals, Trump would not be allowed to do that because US sovereignty would have been overruled. Trump is ending the whole game which is why Davos and the world "puppets" are so frightened of him.

Trump says that NAFTA, signed by Bill Clinton, the face of the globalists, was the biggest disaster ever for America and led to the loss of millions of American jobs. Trump says that TPP will be another disaster for America and he will end it. Trum says that "not gonna happen anymore" and world "leaders" are terrified of him.

Trump is "America First", for the American people, not for American companies who are gloablist and not for the American people. Trump is rewriting the rules of the game. He says the system is rigged and he is going to fox it for the benefit of the American people, which is why the world "puppets" are in pieces as they watch his inexorable rise to the presidency.

Here is the cold, hard, calculating face of the globalists, the corporations and Wall Street who want to shut down our energy making capacity to "save the planet" for our own good, Hillary Clinton

and here she is, the face of the corporate globalists, just the other day as she sweeps into Indiana and is confronted by one of the people

Here is the face of the people, Trump, yesterday

And here is the video, a very short clip of which was played on BBC Newsnight last night, of Trump's greatest fans, the face of the people, the Stump for Trump sisters, celebrating like Trump fans across the planet

"Don't get it twisted!"

The opinion polls have varied a lot, but consistently show Clinton leading Trump.
Will that change once Trump gets a proper organisation - well, the GOP - behind him ?

Also, the GOP seems to have a major disadvantage in the electoral college that actually elects Presidents:
Romney lost to Obama by about 4%, but lost the electoral college by 332 to 206.

I don't see Trump's route to winning the electoral college, to turn this around

I don't know if GOP has a disadvantage considering what happened with W and Gore.

It is largely an unfair and undemocratic system that can allow candidates without an overall majority to be elected.

'Will that change once Trump gets a proper organisation - well, the GOP - behind him ?'

The GOP will back him but it won't be their money that swings it. You don't need money when you have the truth. Trump was outspent by the entire Establishment but he still thrashed them because money doesn't conceal lies and spin.

The Republicans do start out with a disadvantage always in the electoral college, but Trump will turn that round because he appeals to blue collar Democrats and independents. Trump hasn't even started on Hillary yet. Remember that Trump is not politically correct, which is why the world "leaders" fear him because only political correctness helps them to win and fool the people.

Trump will tell so many truths that the world "leaders" and their corporatist candidates won't stand a chance. This will be the most brutal, tough election in US history and there will only be one winner. It is the world "leaders", Wall Street and the globalists vs Trump, but Trump will stump the whole lot of them.

Van Jones was an adviser to Obama and is on CNN on the anti Trump side, but he has released an urgent message to the globalists and his fellow Clinton supporters

"Get Ready For President Donald Trump, Says Obama Advisor Van Jones"

Former Barack Obama advisor Van Jones, who is an outspoken Trump foe, uploaded a Facebook video to give his fellow liberals/progressives a reality check, adding that in his opinion, the GOP debates were like reality TV with the ex-Celebrity Apprentice star still running the show.

His basic message: Don’t underestimate the candidate he referred to as “Trumpzilla.”
...

Jones also detailed that assuming 70 percent of African-American voters have a “horrible” view of Donald Trump, if the billionaire businessman gets just half of the remaining 30 percent, he is the president. “Democrats, in order to win, historically need 90 to 92 percent of the black vote.”

Acknowledging Trump’s strong appeal to blue-collar workers (who are often Democrats or Independents) in the so-called Rust Belt, Van Jones cautioned that “if you don’t understand the threat that a Donald Trump candidacy poses to the Obama coalition, I just don’t think you are paying good attention.”

www.inquisitr.com/3063827/get-ready-for-president-donald-trump-says-obama-advisor-van-jones-video/

Here is his urgent video broadcast

I expect that the Stump for Trump sisters will reply with a broadcast of their own with a considered point for point analysis in the not too distant future. "Don't get it twisted".

The panic and tears and dismay of the world "leaders" will be something to behold and the laughter and merriment and jubilation of the people will reverberate across the whole planet when Trump finishes the globalists and their cronies off. It is the greatest show on earth. It is Trump 2016!

Trump has a disadvantage and an advantage in that he's never been in office. He doesn't have a track record to prove he's capable or he knows what he's doing, but at the same time people can't criticise what he's done in office.
All there is to try and ascertain what he's capable of is his private business. And the several bankrupt and failed businesses.

Yes, but there is no disadvantage at all.

Trump says look at Hillary and Libya and Syria and what a disaster she has created. He says "she is reponsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths". He says the "losers" in power have led to millions of job losses by supporting their internationalist, globalist, free trade deals and he will tear them all up and bring jobs back. He says the "stupid losers" have presided over a trade deal with China that means that the US has an annual $500 billion deficit with China and their cronies go on TV and continue to support it, and Trump says we "don't need trade like that".

Trump said the other day he doesn't want any of the current military "experts" in power because they have presided over the disaster in the Middle East where the US isn't even beating Isis, this bunch of funded mercenaries. Trump says he will finish them in 24 hours and he will find a General who can get the job done.

In our current world, millions and millions of people are now anti-establishment, they know these people are all "bought and paid for" wonks and losers out of Oxbridge and elsewhere, and their time is up. Having "experience" of the lousy government that they have delivered is a disadvantage.

Trump is a successful businessman, a billionaire, with incredible courage and someone who laughs at political correctness. They can't control him, they can't restrict him, they can't stop him telling the truth. They are petrified.

Never having held office looks to be a major advantage for many US voters, due to their suspicion of the ruling elite.
However, it would be a MAJOR disadvantage if he actually were elected President

'However, it would be a MAJOR disadvantage if he actually were elected President'

Trump is a business mogul and leader, he knows how to recruit the best most capable people. Trump has advisers and he will select the most competent people (who incidentally won't be "bought and paid for") who will do a fantastic job for the American people in delivering on Trump's committment to Make America Great Again.

In the Trump fans' favourite Trump catchphrase.

Out! Out! Out! Get the "losers" the hell outta here!

One of Trump's sons was on Hannity last night and Hannity said to him , you are really getting into this politics stuff, aren't you, and Trump's son said you can't help but get into it when you see American people in the street coming up to you with tears in their eyes wanting the country fixed. He said it is humbling and a great honour and when you speak at a rally in front of 10000 people, it is difficult to go back to business as usual.

Trump and his whole family are on a mission to serve the American people and to Make America Great Again. They have the globalists in their sights and the world "leaders" (whom some commentators refer to as "puppets") are scared as can be.

Trump fans are going to miss theTrump rallies when Trump is President and has to be "more presidential". We hope he never loses the common touch and turns into one of them.

"Get 'em out!"

"Get 'em out ! "
I don't dare watch the video, in case Trump reveals his budgie-smugglers < my eyes, my eyes ! >