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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

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Lweji · 25/03/2016 08:45

Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

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claig · 19/04/2016 10:36

It's already starting on youtube. Trump fans are going wild about Trump's new nickname for Hillary.

As Trump so often tells the Trump fans, he hasn't even started on Hillary yet. He says "we're gonna have so much fun".

claig · 19/04/2016 10:40

America's leading conservative talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, on Trump's "Crooked Hillary" line and how it is causing conniptions among the Clinton Campaign team.

Var123 · 19/04/2016 11:26

I noticed you were very silent claig for over a week after Trump lost. Now you are back but with no mention of the Wisconsin primary, or the other one he lost recently despite reporting in great detail about everything else that happened in this campaign - even down to a bit of name calling.

???

BarbarianMum · 19/04/2016 11:55

Really??? You think Bill's actions make Hillary look bad? Sad

claig · 19/04/2016 12:16

'I noticed you were very silent claig for over a week after Trump lost'

Because I am told by lots of posters that I post too much on Trump's side when nearly everyone else is against him, so I want all the opponents of Trump to have their say. I posted about Trump's new nickname "Crooked Hillary" because I think it is both funny and genius and a total gamechanger which is what Trump is all about.

claig · 19/04/2016 12:19

'I noticed you were very silent claig for over a week after Trump lost'

I didn't think it was worth posting on that because I think the whole Establishment and their funding was against him, but I also didn't post about Trump's landslide in Florida when he won and I will probably not post about his landslide in New York tonight because I think it is obvious what will happen and it is obvious that Trump will become President even though nearly everyone else thinks he will lose.

claig · 19/04/2016 12:28

If you think Monica Lewinsky will harm Hillary, wait till you find out the real truth when Trump lays it all out about much more serious issues than Monica Lewinsky.

American politics is not like our all in it together Oxbridge stuff where no one tells the truth about opponents, Trump is going to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and it will rock the entire world and Trump will then win and that will rock the entire world too.

You ain't seen nothing yet, Trump hasn't even got started and this will be the greatest show on earth which is why I post about it, because there has never been and never will be anything like Trump 2016 ever again.

Var123 · 19/04/2016 12:30

No, I don't think she'll have any impact at all. i just feel sorry for her.

claig · 19/04/2016 12:33

' i just feel sorry for her.'

Absolutely, but wait till you find out about other women that you have probably never heard of, becauseyou will feel much more sorry for them when you hear what happened to them. Trump will tell it all in good time, it can't be hidden because Trump has no fear. He is not "all in it together" with anyone apart from the American people which is why this is a political revolution.

Varya · 19/04/2016 12:34

I really hope he does not become president.

claig · 19/04/2016 12:35

Varya, so does the Establishment, but I think they will be disappointed.

Lweji · 19/04/2016 14:45

IF Trump is chosen as the Republican candidate, I don't think it will be the Establishment who'll be disappointed.

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Var123 · 19/04/2016 14:51

When Obama was first elected, there were so many people with unrealistic expectations of what he'd do, that I imagined that there'd be some very embittered people by now.

But there isn't. He hasn't turned out to be all things to all men (just loike Tony Blair failed to live up to his early promise) but yet people just seem to forget and lose interest.

Maybe there is something in human nature here... people would rather press the memory erase button than own up to having being plain deluded in the first place??

Lweji · 19/04/2016 14:54

Just as long as a president doesn't do anything too stupid they'll be fine.

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Var123 · 19/04/2016 15:10

Like start a war with Islam? Or try to get involved in the politics of another country without being willing to see it through?

Lweji · 19/04/2016 15:45

Pretty much.

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claig · 21/04/2016 14:32

This one goes out to all the Trump fans out there. I can't resist posting stuff that is funny.

You thought they had beaten "we the people", you thought the Blairites and their ilk had won, but Trump is showing them and creating panic on high while the people party on down below.

Hot off today's press.

"Trump terrifies world leaders
And Obama’s reassurances aren’t calming them down.

President Barack Obama is trying but failing to reassure foreign leaders convinced that Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States. They're in full-boil panic.

According to more than two dozen U.S. and foreign-government officials, Trump has become the starting point for what feels like every government-to-government interaction. In meetings, private dinners and phone calls, world leaders are urgently seeking explanations from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry, Defense Secretary Ash Carter and Trade Representative Michael Froman on down. American ambassadors are asking for guidance from Washington about what they’re supposed to say.
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“They’re scared and they’re trying to understand how real this is,” said one American official in touch with foreign leaders. “They all ask. They follow our politics with excruciating detail. They ask: ‘What is this Trump phenomenon?

www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233

I could have told them for free Grin

"Obama hears world leaders’ fears about the Republican front-runner so often that he has developed a speech meant to ease their nerves.
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“Most people said that he didn’t have the wit, wisdom or wealth to get very far in the primaries,” said Peter Mandelson, a member of the British Cabinet under Prime Ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, as well as a former European commissioner for trade who remains in touch with many leaders. “And they’ve been wrong.”

Now, world leaders cop to being afraid of a Trump presidency, and they’re making preparations: scrambling to get deals done with the Obama administration while they still have the chance.

Leaders, members of their governments, even their aides are so spooked that they don’t want to say anything, and many privately admit that it’s because they think he’ll win"
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“However much people recoiled from George W. Bush or have been disappointed by Obama, they see Trump as off the Richter scale,” Mandelson said. “The reason for that is not that he must be stupid — nobody thinks that — but that he’s disdainful, unscrupulous, prepared to say anything to harvest the populist vote. And that makes people frightened.”

Mandelson Grin

And this is all their best minds have got to try and stop the people - politically correct platutudes from a wonk/whizzkid training course funded by our taxpayer money.

“Trump solutions for me are false solutions, but they’re not original. ... said Sandro Gozi, a member of the Italian parliament and undersecretary for European affairs in Prime Minister Mateo Renzi’s Cabinet.

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There's a whole load more laughs in the full article. If anyone sees similar journalist articles, please post them as it's always good to have a laugh.

America is the country that gave us rock'n'roll - it gave us all the legends like Elvis, Chuck and Little Richard, and now America is back and has given us Donald J Trump.

Now it's giving the world elite more heebie jeebies than even Little Richard had.

Trump fans are jiving in the aisles and doing the hokie-cokie from dawn to dusk, certain in our belief that We The People are going to win.

We've got 'em reeling. World leaders are rocking and the world's people are rolling on the floor laughing. It's the greatest show on earth, it's Trump 2016.

As the great Roy Wood sang "Are You Ready to Rock?"

AugustaFinkNottle · 22/04/2016 12:39

Trump has unveiled his new nickname for Hillary.

Oh wow. What an intellectual triumph.

I'd love to know why being crooked is a joke when Trump does it, but not when anyone else does.

claig · 22/04/2016 12:51

I am not aware of Trump being crooked in any sense, on the contraryhe is renowned for being an "honest, straight-talking New Yorker" which is exactly what Trump fans like.

The Establishment have desperately been trying to convince Trump to be what they call "more presidential" which is a euphemism for not telling the truth about his opponents. But Trump fans like the truth and Trump has not disappointed them by going back to the old-style Trump they love and that the Establishment fears.

"The old Donald is BACK! Trump unleashes more 'Lyin' Ted' and 'Crooked Hillary' broadsides after New York win - as his kinder and gentler campaign style lasts for exactly one night"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3550611/The-old-Donald-Lyin-Ted-Crooked-Hillary-broadsides-kinder-gentler-campaign-style-lasted-exactly-one-night.html

The classic "Bible high" line was back in full force to the great approval of Trump fans and the utter dismay of Establishment pundits who had hoped Trump would desist from that devastating line of attack on their favoured candidate.

'He brings the bible, puts it down – lies!' Trump said, hammering home the insult."

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3550611/The-old-Donald-Lyin-Ted-Crooked-Hillary-broadsides-kinder-gentler-campaign-style-lasted-exactly-one-night.html#ixzz46YUXw6kp
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Lweji · 22/04/2016 13:58

You mean
"on the contrary, he is self-renowned for being an "honest, straight-talking New Yorker""

He's neither honest nor straight talking when he turns positions to fit the electorate, speaks gibberish and bullshit to confuse the listeners.

Having said that, I'm impressed that he is actually saying that "ransgender people can use whatever bathroom they want"
Although it may cost him a few votes. He must be getting really confident on his own voters and be courting the left side now.

www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-transgender-bathrooms-222257

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claig · 22/04/2016 15:14

'He must be getting really confident on his own voters and be courting the left side now.'

Yes, I am not sure what he is doing there. He may end up flip-flopping on that one as Cruz has already had a go at him, or he may be appealing to the left wing voters now as he moves into less socially conservative states in the North East.

var123 · 22/04/2016 17:09

or maybe he genuinely doesn't care which loos people use (as long as its not his!) and so he is happy to let people sort it out for themselves, without the need for legislation?

I think he made a wise choice as there are no options that would keep everyone happy, so it would have been something else that his critics would have used to beat him up over whatever he answered.

Lweji · 22/04/2016 17:10

I quite believe he doesn't care.
I'm just surprised he didn't go the way of the Republican electorate as he has with abortion, for example.

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var123 · 22/04/2016 17:24

but his flip flopping on abortion and general respect for women as thinking human beings lost him a few primaries. He presents as ignorant but maybe he is slightly less unable to learn than he makes out to his devoted followers whom he flattering with mimicry

claig · 22/04/2016 17:35

His people think he is going to win the nomination. A memo was leaked where they predict he will make it. Also Sean Hannity on Fox, who likes Trump, said that there are talks going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. He is on hos way to change the entire world. The panic among puppets across the world has reached fever pitch.

"Trump terrifies world leaders
And Obama’s reassurances aren’t calming them down.

They're in full-boil panic."

However, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories about how they may still stop Trump.