is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

[Lweji]

Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

fwiw I don't think "crooked Hillary" will actually make a good crowd chant. Doesn't really roll off the tongue they way Lyin' Ted does.

Read an interesting piece yesterday about the resources of GOP and why it's candidates are actually right of their own voters on tax...

here

Note Trump also wants mega tax cuts for the wealthy. What a king.

"Trump has unveiled his new nickname for Hillary"

You really need to get a life, claig

Yu really need to get a sense of humour, Cote, but money can't buy it unfortunately.

Oh I'm sorry. Were you trying to be funny?

I didn't realise that you were making fun of Donald Trump when you called his most recent bout of childishness an "unveiling of his new nickname for Hillary".

If that was the case, you're right, it is actually pretty funny

wiltingfast, that s an interesting article, but although Republicans in general would like the 1% to pay more tax, they want tax cuts for themselves which is what all the candidates are offering. Trump will tax the hedge fund bosses a bit extra but there will be tax cuts for everyone on every scale. In general, Republicn voters are happy with that.

The influential groups in the Republican Party, funded by the billionaires, are all against Trump. They are generally the ones funding the SuperPACs that are taking the attack ads out against Trump. But they are destined to fail because the people will put Trump over the line.

Note Trump also wants mega tax cuts for the wealthy. What a king.

Yes! His main concern are normal people. Didn't you know?

'it is actually pretty funny'

Absolutely, it is funny and genius at the same time. Trump wants to win and he uses humour to attack his opponents and get the crowd on his side just as he does with "Lyin' Ted" and "Bibe high".

"Donald Trump enchants Poughkeepsie crowd at rally
...
Trump, the frontrunner in the Republican presidential primary, also took on his political opponents, calling Ted Cruz “lying Ted,” and Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton “crooked,” slammed the political action committees funding those campaigns, calling them a “disgrace to democracy.”

Each time, the crowd roared."

www.dailyfreeman.com/general-news/20160417/donald-trump-enchants-poughkeepsie-crowd-at-rally

"Crooked Hillary" is going down very well among Trump fans and appears to have Hillary rattled.

"Donald Trump reveals new nickname for Hillary Clinton — ‘Crooked’
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“Love Trump calling Hillary ‘Crooked Hillary‘!” said Maggie Aguilar on Twitter.

“I have to say #CrookedHillary is absolutely superb,” said David Jack Smith in a tweet. “It works on more than one level.”

But Mrs. Clinton on Sunday refused to retaliate, saying the nickname doesn’t bother her.

“He can say whatever he wants to say about me, I could really care less,” Mrs. Clinton told former top Clinton White House aide George Sephanopoulos"

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/17/donald-trump-reveals-new-nickname-for-hillary-clin/

Did you actually read what Cote wrote?

I skimmed it.

This long post?

Oh I'm sorry. Were you trying to be funny?

I didn't realise that you were making fun of Donald Trump when you called his most recent bout of childishness an "unveiling of his new nickname for Hillary".

If that was the case, you're right, it is actually pretty funny smile

The impact of proposed tax cuts here

And have a go at balancing the budget with such cuts here

Vox is every at mo, apologies for the constant references!

And claig, you have to remember, at his rallies he is preaching to the converted. Amazingly, other people vote too.

Plus, you seemed to have ignored the point completely that Trump is presenting himself as somehow different from the establishment yet actually appears to be all about doing the same thing, cutting taxes for the wealthy himself.

Of course I am assuming he will do as he at least try and so what he has said which according to claig is actually not a given

'Plus, you seemed to have ignored the point completely that Trump is presenting himself as somehow different from the establishment yet actually appears to be all about doing the same thing, cutting taxes for the wealthy himself.'

No, Trump is the same as Cruz on tax and is similar to what many Republicans like Steve Forbes want i.e. big tax cuts all round in order to stimulate spending and economic growth. Trump differs from the Establishment in other ways i.e. he is anti-globalist which is why the world's political class is in pieces because he has said that "NATO is obsolete" and that he will tear up their free trade deals and of course he goes against all of the puppets by being against their climate change deals.

John Kasich is a politically correct Establishment guy, similar in some ways to Hillary, and he is not for the large tax cuts that Trump and Cruz want.

Huge changes in the world are coming this year. Trump will win and will bring them in. The Panama Papers is just the start of America becoming number one again as hot money centres are shut down and money flows to America. Trump's America First policy is what will be happening and the world's elites and paid for political class are in panic mode.

"Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill"

www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0

As Trump says "we're not going to be the stupid people anymore". It's over for the global elite, now it will be America First.

Sorry Claig I thought the whole point was Trump was different?

Plus tax cuts have not in the past boosted the economy. The money is in fact taken out of circulation. Where before you had govt spending money on useful things such as feeding people, and educating them, instead you the Kochs et al hiding it somewhere.

'Sorry Claig I thought the whole point was Trump was different?'

He is different.Not on tax, but on more important things like climate change and globalism and TTIP and TPP and other free trade deals, He has said "NATO is obsolete", he has said countries will have to srat paying for their defence and he has said that he thinks he will get on well with Putin. How much more different can he get? He is not a puppet, he has said that "this global warming BULLSHIT has got to stop". Can you imagine what our and other politically correct political classes are going through? They know their game is up.

If he wasn't different, why are all the world's elite, their political class pawns and all the Republican billionaires and the media moguls all against him?

'The money is in fact taken out of circulation. Where before you had govt spending money on useful things such as feeding people, and educating them, instead you the Kochs et al hiding it somewhere.'

The Panama Papers is the beginning of the end of the hot money offshore centres. Money will now have to flow to America to be safe. If our Quantitative Easing had been given to the people as People's QE instead of to financial organisations, then people could have used that to pay off their debts and free up wages and earning for spending which would have led to business growth. Cutting taxes puts money back into people's pockets who then spend it. Trump will give big tax breaks to firms opening up factories in America, he is bringing the jobs back.

Instead of our political class of bureaucrats and PPEs and wonks and whizzkids giving our taxpayer money to Africa so that they can spend it on space programmes and the Ethiopian Spice Girls, Trump will slash taxes so that people have more cash to spend as they want and not as the Gordon Bennetts of this world want.

"Foreign aid farce! Britain gives BILLIONS to African countries planning space missions

THE Government has been slammed for giving billions to African countries which plan to have astronauts in space by 2030."

www.express.co.uk/news/world/661740/foreign-aid-billions-africa-nigeria-space-mission

You have to understand why the entire world's climate change political class are petrified of Trump. They know their game is up. It's all over, Trump is going to win.

Our political class has given us a low-growth economy with low wage growth and people have high debts and therefore haven't got surplus cash to spend which means that comapnies can't grow and employ more people. Our wonks take our tax money, rigfence it and send some abroad where some of it is wasted and they also waste some of it it here in printing EU Referendum leaflets costing £10 million that could have been spent better. People don't earn enough to substatially reduce their debt and therefore we are in a vicious circle of low growth. Of course our green wonks want a low-growth "sustainable" and in fact zero-growth and even negative growth economy because that is what the global elite want as a future for the people.

Trump throws a their cards in the air and says "rien ne va plus" because he is against all their low growth green climate agenda and wants to grow the pie (the American Pie, the America First pie) by slashing taxes and bringing jobs back from China and Mexico which will create employment and grow the economy and grow wage increases so that people are better off in a high-growth rather than a zero-growth economy. And because Aerica is such a powerful country with such dynamic people, Trum will succeed, and it is that that is creating panic among the low-growth green political class pawns across the planet because they know that their dreams and schemes of a "sustainable" low growth meat free Monday future for the peope of the world is over because Trump won't play ball.

Its the New York primary today (and somewhere else but its not so important). Am I right in thinking that this one is make or break for both Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton?

About HC... I don't know what it is about her?! She just seems manipulative and dishonest. I think its something to do with not leaving Bill after the Monica Lewinsky affair proved to the world that he's serial cheat.

Monica Lewinsky, on the other hand, has redeemed herself. She's now an anti-bullying campaigner. I feel sorry for her and what happened to her.

Yes, New York Primary today. I am not sure about anywhere else today. It is not make or break for Trump. He is expected to win over 80 of the 95 delegates and it is important that he picks up a large number of them but it is not critical. If Hillary loses to Bernie that would be a blow, but still not critical, I think. She is expected to win but Bernie gt huge crowds in New York so anything could still happen.

' I think its something to do with not leaving Bill after the Monica Lewinsky affair proved to the world that he's serial cheat.'

It is much, much worse than Monica Lewinsky. What Bill did goes much further. It will all come out if Trump becomes nominee.

Trump used his new nickname "Crooked Hillary" yesterday in a barmstorming final rally in Buffalo, New York. Trump was on top form and the Trump fans loved the "Crooked Hillary" line and Trump used it liberally. Genius!

"Fox host: Hillary must ‘prove she’s not crooked’ because Trump named her ‘Crooked Hillary’
...
“And it’s not sexist,” co-host Andrea Tantaros opined proudly. “I was so nervous [after Trump revealed the name]… I thought, ‘Oh God please, Donald Trump, do not do anything bad.’ And I saw it and I thought, ‘What a genius name.’ She can’t cry victim. And it’s perfect. It implies that she is intentionally and wilfully deceptive.”

Faulkner dismissed the idea that Clinton could win by focusing on the issues instead of battling Trump over a nickname.

“How is she going to respond to ‘you’re crooked’?” Faulkner asked. “Because now she’s got to come with the facts that prove that she’s not crooked. So now she’s going to say, ‘You know what, maybe I should release those transcripts that I got paid $300,000 from [Wall Street].’ I mean, really, what would the retort be that would make her look any better?”

“He’s already kind of figured out, ‘She’s not going to come back at me on the facts of anti-crookedness,'” Faulkner concluded. "

www.rawstory.com/2016/04/fox-host-hillary-must-prove-shes-not-crooked-because-trump-named-her-crooked-hillary/

The panic among staffers at Clinton campaign HQ must be something to behold. Even Bill must have said "doggone it, Trump is good" when he heard about "Crooked Hillary".

And it’s perfect. It implies that she is intentionally and wilfully deceptive.”

Which fully applies to Trump.

Even by claig's admission. Although apparently being deceptive is a good thing in Trump and bad in others.

“How is she going to respond to ‘you’re crooked’?” Faulkner asked. “Because now she’s got to come with the facts that prove that she’s not crooked.

Actually, if the US were to have stronger libel laws, which, IIRC, Trump wanted, Trump would have to prove she is.

If I was HC, I'd simply reply that Trump could say what he wants, but he'd have to prove she is crooked. Innocent until proven guilty is key in American justice.