is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]

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Continuing the thread, and in reply to the two last posts of thread 2

Today 08:15 OhYouBadBadKitten

I don't think it is about Trump taking risks, its more that he is a narcisstic sociopath. He feels untouchable in what he says and has no regard for the consequences.

Today 06:53 fourmummy

To be fair, voters know that all political rhetoric mostly comes to nothing (rhetoric = argumentation and persuasion, elevated to an art from in Ancient Greece). Why do you imagine Labour want to introduce votes for 16 year olds? They know that people don't become "more conservative" as they get older-they become wiser to the political process and its lies rhetoric. So what's different with Trump? Why hasn't his unbelievably unlikeable public and private persona sunk him?

Answer=risk

He is not a ready-rolled, ready-prepped and ready-to-go politician (think Blair's son parachuted into a constituency; MIliband brothers, Clintons). These are not risking much because they were cast in the role when they were made. We know that this is the case with, certainly, Clinton (numerous interviews with aides attest to this; ditto for the others). Voters are doing a risk assessment of his risks and have decided that he is worth something. It's not as simple as suggesting that if someone votes for him then they must be racist or sexist, as I've seen journos assert. Voters are effectively doing a risk assessment and deciding that given the enormous costs both to him (energy, health, time away from family, reputation, financial, career, historical implications, ) and to his voters (risk of being viewed as sexist, racist, intolerant, asshole), the benefits must outweigh these costs. Very unwise to dismiss ordinary voters as simplistically sexist and racists, as many, many journalists have (shortsightedly) done. Even non-experts are very good at performing cost/benefit analyses

As I said I don't see anything of what he says as taking a risk. Because he is saying what many people want to hear.
As for personal cost, he is clearly someone who enjoys the power, the limelight, the adoration. All that is missing for him is the ultimate power, particularly as he sees other true billionaires taking central stage.
But he doesn't have the heart to be Gates.
So, he's going for the highest office, and on the back of American voters most primal fears.

But...
He's not averse to risk. He's built his empire on it. He's had four bankruptcies. Anyone should be worried about the way he manages risk.

"As conservative pundit, Tucker Carlson, said on Fox, Trump has not given the abortion issue any thought because he is instinctively not pro life and used to be pro choice, he doesn't really believe the standard Republican position and therefore didn't know how to argue for it."

He has never thought about the abortion issue but he's instinctively pro-abortion? Is that why he said women who seek abortion should be "punished", then?

That is arguably the most moronic defense of a political blunder I have ever seen, which is no surprise since Fox TV is the dumbest & most ridiculous "news" outlet in the US. It is the Daily Mail of TV channels.

Since you love DM, I'm not surprised you love Fox News, too. But FFS stop assuming that the rest of us are clueless enough to fall for its contradictory, braindead, and otherwise severely limited "arguments" that are meant for the thickest part of the US population.

It's a presidential candidate who clearly hasn't given any thought to any issue. Apart from marketing. Admirable, really.

Not a political savant. More like a political savage. But his heart it's not even in the right place.

Augusta I don't see how anyone of either sex could remain in the current Republican Party, if they have some vestige of morality and 2 brain cells to rub together.

Trump is a complete narcissist who decided running for President would be his next game show.
He chose the Republican Party because it is a derelict shell, populated by knuckledragging racists and religious nutcases. The sane moderate Republicans of previous generations have either died out or locked themselves in the loo & flushed away the key.

Soo... 70% of American women and 58% of American men have an unfavourable view of Donald Trump. Oops.

I'm sorry to say claig that all your devotion, adoration, and tireless propaganda on MN looks unlikely to save Trump. He will likely go the way of the other political parties and figures you have previously obsessed about, like Sarah Palin and UKIP.

Let's wait and see. Those polls are national so include the 50% of democrats. The election is won in less than 10 states.

According to conservative commentator, author and Trump supporter, Ann Coulter, all Trump needs is to increase the white vote by 4% in those states and he is President.

The real problem that Trump has got is to make it as Republican nominee and defeat the Establishment forces that are trying to stop him. If he does that, then Trump has large crossover appeal with Democrats and independents and will beat Hillary once he "starts on her" because it will be no holds barred and like nothing anyone has ever seen.

I hate to break it to you but Democrats also vote in the Presidential election. This is not something you will have heard on Fox News, I know, but it's true.

By the way, Ann Coulter is a nut job. You must be truly ignorant about American politics to not be aware that she is famous for being a crazy extremist. And even Ann Coulter has recently turned on Trump.

So congratulations, claig. You now officially have less sense than Ann Coulter

'I hate to break it to you but Democrats also vote in the Presidential election'

Yes, but some states are blue (Democrat) and the Democrats always win those and some are red (Republican) and the Republicans always win those. The Democrats have the advantage but it all comes down to about 10 to 12 states and Trump can win those if he increases the white vote and maintains the non-white vote. Trump puts states into play because he is not a traditional Republican.

'By the way, Ann Coulter is a nut job.'

She is a New Yorks Times best selling author over many years and a very famous conservative commentator that even BBC Newsnight invites on, so she is hardly a nutcase.

' even Ann Coulter has recently turned on Trump. '

No she hasn't, she was joking to Milo who is a Trump fan. She thought Trump was wrong to retweet the Heidi photo whereas Milo thought it was funny. Ann Coulter is probably Trump's greatest fan.

As the Stump for Trump sisters always say, the media uses "trickery" to try and fool the public and turn them off Trump.

The media all piled in and made out that Ann Coulter had gone of Trump in the hope that that would sway Trump voters away from supporting him. But this is what Ann then tweeted

Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter · Mar 31

True, I've gone from supporting Trump to wildly supporting Trump. "Coulter appears to sour on ‘mental’ Donald Trump"http://bit.ly/22RQZvM

Republicans and Democrats alike try to win swing states. Trump wouldn't do anything new by going for those.

It's not very common (but it has happened) that a national majority doesn't lead to a win.

Clinton's team know what they are up against with Trump. He is not poiitically correct, the Clinton wonks and whizzkids have never come up against someone like Trump. Pundits are saying that at the end, there will only be rubble left.

"Get Ready to Say President Trump

The November election will come down to seven states, and Trump holds the advantage.
...
So, if you're being honest about the current points of data on the political table, you'd give New Hampshire to Donald Trump. That gives him 272 electoral votes, two more than he needs.

Welcome to the White House, Mr. Trump."

www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2016/03/01/president-donald-trump-likely-the-next-occupant-of-the-white-house

There will be so much panic worldwide among the political class and so much laughter among the people. However, there are bound to be lots of dirty tricks from the billionaires who back Hillary before we get there. Some pundits are saying that the Panama Papers are essentially a left wing operation, funded by left wing billionaires etc, targetting right wing politicians across the world, so there may be more surprises.

But they are up against Trump and he has beaten all his oponents so far using a skelton team with no focus groups, no polling and saying whatever the hell he likes.

Go Trump! Take the globalists down!

He is beating his opponents. He hasn't beaten them.
Battles, war. We'll see.

'He is beating his opponents. He hasn't beaten them. '

True, he says he has "two leftovers". He will beat them soon and the panic among the political class will reach emergency levels.

Bookies' odds on Trump getting the nomination have tumbled to under 50% (from nearly 90%). Odds on a brokered convention are now about 80%.

I think 50% is probably an overestimate now. Hard to see him winning the nomination unless he does so outright (or comes within a handful of delegates).

I think Trump has just discovered that opening your mouth and uttering the first thing that comes into your head, or the first thing you think will satisfy your more rabid supporters, isn't the fantastic strategy he thought it was. The trouble is that he doesn't really have any other strategy.

I'm hoping Trump will win Republican nomination. That will ensure yet another Democrat President. Go Trump

Oh and re Ann Coulter: She is a total and utter nut job. Worse (for you) she is well-known as one and has been for a very long time. There are entire websites devoted to the crazy stuff Coulter has said over the years. Some select tidbits:

"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts we should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer." - Ann Coulter, on fears over the fallout from Japan's nuclear crisis, Bill O'Reilly interview, March 18, 2011

"You will find liberals always rooting for savages against civilization." - Ann Coulter, "The O'Reilly Factor," May 7, 2010

"I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester. - on the murder of Kansas abortion doctor George Tiller, FOX News interview, June 22, 2009

"If I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot."

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much." - on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

"I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo."

Yes, claig. That is the crazy-ass woman you value crazy-ass opinions of. A fine idol for you, I'd say. She goes very well with the other rabid crazies you adore, like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

It looks like Trump will have to have an awful lot of joined up luck to get the nomination now.

Its been interesting though and politicians should take note. Trump's progress has demonstrated that there are a lot of people who do not feel represented and who resent that. If things don't change to make them feel more engaged, then we could all be looking back to today thinking that Trump would've been a relatively safe pair of hands after all.

Will they do something with this chance they have though, or as soon as the anyone-but-trump candidate has secured the nomination, will everyone just go back to business as usual?

Cote I hadn't heard that Coulter actually approved of that religious psycho who murdered Dr Tiller. Domestic terrorism.
So if the Republicans win, either Cruz would organise patrols in her street or Trump would expel her

Does she make jokes whenever unarmed elderly people are shot dead in cold blood ?

Ann Coulter is a train wreck. I think they give her airtime for entertainment value rather than what she brings to the table in terms of discussion and debate.

I was shocked to read what Bill clinton said yesterday to Black Lives Matter protesters. If any Republican had said the exact same words they would have been branded a racist. Actually Trump did say the same thing and he was called a racist.

Truth of the matter is that our media have a lot to answer for.

The Washington Post thinks it wasn't a cockup, but a cold calculation to help Hillary regain white votes:
"polls show that his wife is badly underperforming with white voters in key battleground states compared to 2008"

I don't know about the US media, but the Guardian really slates him for it:
"How dare Bill Clinton shout over Black Lives Matter protesters?"

Trump has unveiled his new nickname for Hillary. He initially used "incompetent Hillary" but Trump fans were not wowed with that one, they wanted something stronger. So now Trump is back with a new one that has Trump fans jiving in the aisles

"crooked Hillary"

'is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 3]?'

I think the answer is now "without a doubt". Pure genius, Trump 2016!

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276583-trump-reveals-new-nickname-for-clinton

Trump fans loved the "Lyin' Ted" with an apostrophe line and the classic "Bible high, puts it down and then he liiies"

But the new Hillary one only promises to make the election more exciting yet!

If Hillary voters were 5 years old, maybe.
Or Democrat voters.
Or most of the undecided voters.

I'm sure Hillary and other candidates could come up with suitable childish names for Trump. But then they don't know the best words.

Establishment pundits and advisers who want Trump to lose keep telling him to be more "presidential" and to cut out the attacks, but Trump has an innate sense of what works with the people, he ignores the wonks and whizzkids and speaks directly to the people.

At Trump rallies in New York this week, where Trump has come out firing on all cylinders, taking it to the puppets, the Trump fans have been chanting "Lyin' Ted, Lyin' Ted, Lyin' Ted" just in case Trump was about to take the advice of the Establishment wonks and to stop using that devastating description of Ted.

Once the crowds start chanting "crooked Hillary", then it is over for the elite. All across the world, political class puppets are biting their nails and begging the media to put a super injunction on Trump's devastating new nickname for Hillary, becuase they know that once the Trump fans start chanting that, then the elite's goose is cooked.