Every now and then I remember exactly why I dislike Tony Blair so much

[Caligula]

Like now, when he can't bring himself to comment on Saddam Hussein's execution.

Even Dubya has commented on it, FGS. What is the matter with that pusillanimous creep, our PM? Is he really so afraid of offending someone by saying the wrong thing? Why can't he comment?

Yuk yuk yuk yuk yuk, he's horrid.

There, feel a bit better now I've got that off my chest.

Prescott will be finished once Blair goes.

I know it is small fry compared to the deaths in Iraq but I am still sickened by David Kelly's suicide, and the whitewash that followed it.

There are some folks in the US who feel the same way about Bush, Fox. The last time I was in the US I saw a brilliant bumper sticker: it read "the only bush I trust is my own!"

Shouldn't "suicide" be in inverted commas, Nearlythree?

nearly three -yes, i am interested in that too strange reports from paramedics, questioning of suicide, religious man etc..and actually he personally supported the weapons theory but wanted more time..
am sure there is documentry coming up on telly soon about david kelly affair..

The only really good bush, is a dead bush.

The only Tony I trust is a Tory.

My sentiments entirely, Yellowrose.

It doesn't get any prettier, does it? Is there really a tv company brave enough to broadcast anything remotely truthful about the Kelly affair?????

My mother says that speaking out against Blair has cost several people she knows their positions in business.

Trying to think of something facetious about the road to Baghdad being paved with good intentions, but it doesn't come out right, because I don't think the duo pointing the way had any.

I'm not surprised, Nearlythree - just look at the Pearson/O'Leary row in the papers at the moment. If the government could stuff Ryanair right now, it would.

Christ, I hadn't heard the word "Gulag" for a while ! I had a communist history teacher (An American from New York of all places !!) who went on about Gulags.

Gosh, it brings back good memories (not of Gulags, but my brilliant history teacher !)

nearly three - the article i read said they were quite surprised by what researchers found so interesting to see if it comes out..

yellowrose..i had brilliant history teacher too..makes a big difference

politically the war has killed him, IMO he has and was doing a good job, lowest inflation for 30 years, minimum wage, tax credits, more police, more doctors (although the daily mail would disagree) surestart, better maternity rights.

oh well hello to another tory rule and life getting alot worse

foxinsocks 35% or 9.5 million people in the uk voted for labour in 2005, not exactly a majority of people, more people voted against them, so do you still say labour represents the will of the people?

They say the donkey that went to Mecca, came back a donkey.

The George and Tony that went to Baghdad, came back as ..... ?

Yeh, Suzy, it sure does !

Tempted to say a pair of camels, but that would be insulting to camels

I heard a saying somewhere that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter (I think it was a reference to Che Guevara). Wonder what that makes the pair of them?

have enjoyed chatting here tonight, must bow out soon due to tiredness and a good port
night night all x

Yes, need to go to and get the last of the decorations down. Night night!

Well, in this day and age, we are all bloody teeeerrrrrissssts, esp. if you find yourself on the wrong side of the fence, so to speak.

Goodnight everyone, this is a fab thread !

(must go to bed too) - what I find interesting, is where do we go from here? now that we've got this situation, what happens next?

singsalot, there was only around a 60% turnout and Labour got something like 360 seats to the Tories 200. I can't make people vote but it was a reason I was asking (further down). Whatever you say, they have been voted in - they won a democratic election and they represent us. You would think with only 35% that this would mean we'd have a good opposition (because the Tories only got slightly less didn't they, something like 32%) but it just never worked out that way.

good night all - I have to say, this is the best Saturday night in I've had for ages!

I was thinking we should start a mumsnet party

who would be our tony blair/thatcher?

I can imagine we would be at least fairly representative

foxinsocks, ach you are right, just politicians maybe elected by a tiny minority and then pretend that they represent the whole country, pisses me off really....

(must really go to bed now) but I understand your sentiment completely singsalot! just that in 2005, around 67% of those who voted (labour + tory share) voted for parties who they knew wanted to be in the Iraq war. I think public sentiment has changed a lot since then but at the time, that's how it stood.