is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

[claig]

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

He created employment for tens of thousands of people and created great buildings to live and work in.

But now he is in a new phase - to work for the American people rather than his business.

Does that mean you now think he will change laws on torture and allow not just waterboarding but much worse? Do you now believe he will build that stupid expensive wall along the Mexican border and try to get Mexicans to pay for it? How about his pledge to prevent 1 billion Muslims (including many American citizens) from entering the US?

You believe all that and still want him to be President?

The alternative isn't much better: You believe he is a liar and a cynical manipulator, who says he will do stuff he won't do just to get votes from the dumb, undereducated masses and still want him to be President?

You also fell for Sarah Palin and UKIP. And now Trump. You have an impressive list of racists, fascists, and at least one ignorant dumbo there, claig. I don't know how you go on.

'Does that mean you now think he will change laws on torture and allow not just waterboarding but much worse?'

Yes, I think he will most probably try, but he may quietly drop it too.

'Do you now believe he will build that stupid expensive wall along the Mexican border and try to get Mexicans to pay for it?'

Yes, I think he now has to do that after what he has said.

'How about his pledge to prevent 1 billion Muslims (including many American citizens) from entering the US? '

No, I think he will drop that.

And you fell for Erdogan, the most despicable, smug jackass to curse a country's political scene since WWII with the possible exception of Putin.

'You also fell for Sarah Palin and UKIP. And now Trump.'

No, I didn't fall for Sarah Palin and UKIP, I liked them because I considered them not politically correct true conservatives.

'And you fell for Erdogan'

Yes, I thought he was a good leader but that is because I didn't understand enough about what was happening in Turkey.

So you want people to be tortured? Outstanding.

'So you want people to be tortured?'

No. But having listened to Trump, I now see that US forces would be up against people who chop people's heads off and who don't follow the Geneva Convention, so I am not sure that waterboarding should be ruled out against them, particularly as a lot of CIA people say it is not torture.

" I thought he was a good leader but that is because I didn't understand enough about what was happening in Turkey"

Unlike now, when you understand everything?

Is that also your excuse for having post-bombed MN like a crazed ferret on behalf of Sarah Palin and UKIP in the run-up to their elections, much like you are doing for Trump now? That you just don't understand?

You don't want people tortured but you want a President who will allow torture.

My 6-year-old can see that contradiction. Why can't you, claig?

I didn't post much about Sarah Palin because she was running for Vice President and I didn't like John McCain who was running for President, but I posted on UKIP threads and some Trump threads because I agreed with them and answered questions about them just like yours.

'You don't want people tortured but you want a President who will allow torture. '

The CIA says it is not torture and American special forces go through waterboarding as part of their training, so I am on teh fence about it. I wouldn't rule out supporting Trump because of that.

"a lot of CIA people say it (waterboarding) is not torture"

You sound like someone who does not have a brain to formulate thoughts with on her own, but rather relies on Fox News and Daily Mail to feed you "your" opinions.

Which I'm sure is not the case. So let's try:

(1) Forcefully holding someone down and pouring water down over their face as they are struggling to breathe, nearly suffocating them. What is this if not torture?

and

(2) And if it's not torture meant to force a captive to reveal information he wouldn't reveal without it, why would you want to waterboard him? For fun?

I know you can do it, claig. Think.

I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. According to the law, it seems to be classed as such, but I heard some people on Fox saying it wasn't. I don't know.

"Ted Cruz is Wrong, Waterboarding Does Meet the Legal Definition of Torture"
...
In fairness, Cruz, isn’t the only GOP candidate who believes that waterboarding isn’t torture. Regardless, Cruz seemed to make a legal claim so let’s first look at Cruz’s definition of torture. It seems to differ from United Nations Convention Against Torture, which was ratified by the U.S. in 1990. Here is this definition:

lawnewz.com/high-profile/ted-cruz-is-wrong-waterboarding-is-considered-legal-torture-by-most/

"I didn't post much about Sarah Palin"

You have posted 122 times about Sarah Palin. Some examples:

If Sarah Palin becomes President of the United States, she may well roll back some of these liberal, progressive policies that led to this proliferation.

Sarah Palin, champion of the people.

I think she is right on many things (especially the global warming scam)

Palin is saying that she is one of them, one of the people, not one of the Al Gore, John Kerry, Strauss-Kahn Harvard and Yale millionaire elite leftists... She stands with the people, that's why she is popular and that's why the Strauss-Kahn type socialists can't stand her. She is the resistance to their destruction of America and their long wished-for globalist governance, internationalist regime.

Sarah Palin stands against all the bigwigs, all the media, in declaring that it is all baloney. That is one of the many reasons that they attack and ridicule her. They know the people are with her.

It all sounds a lot like the stuff you say about Trump, doesn't it? Of the people, against the powerful, the elites can't stand her, stands with the people, blah blah.

"According to the law, it seems to be classed as such, but I heard some people on Fox saying it wasn't. I don't know. "

Come on claig. Try to think. You can do it on your own. You don't really need Fox TV to feed you their repulsive "views".

Waterboarding is meant to cause suffering and duress, so that the captive reveals information. What is the general name we give such procedures, where someone is forced against their will to reveal information they rather would not?

(Hint: 7 letters, starts with a T)

Well yes, she is a conservative which is why she endorsed Trump. I like her and I like Trump, but she wasn't running for President unlike Trump and therefore Trump will have more impact on the world.

Many people are conservative, including loads in the Republican Party - so what? And yet you wanted that dumb, profoundly ignorant, crass, arrogant woman who had zero understanding of the economy or the world to be the Vice President of the US. Not just any VP, but the second in line at a time when President would be an 80+ year old cancer survivor, within quite possible reach of Presidency herself.

Why do you think that is, claig?

I like her, I don't think she is as dumb as is made out by the media. I doubt yoy could get as high as she got in politics by being dumb.

George W Bush wasn't the sharpest pencil in the case, but they are all advised by very clever advisers. Some people said Reagan wasn't too clever.

Does Sarah Palin look clever to you, then? That's a bit sad.

We all know how she got chosen to go on McCain's ticket, and it wasn't because she worked hard or was very clever. Watch the film Game Change.

OK, I will have a look at it.

Interesting article in the Guardian about the difference between Trump and Merkel. One of the first mainstream articles that talks about globalism, globalists and the difference in worldviews between globalisation (as represented by Merkel) versus what the author calls territorialism (and what the Financial Times calls nativism) which is represented by Trump.

"From Trump to Merkel: how the world is divided between fear and openness

The Republican candidate and German chancellor are polar opposites in the key struggle of our age

Two major concepts define the political struggle in the west today. One can be termed “globalism”, which is currently most prominently represented by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel. The other is “territorialism”, a view that the very likely Republican candidate for the US elections in November, Donald Trump, represents.

At the core of the debate is the meaning of borders: should they be porous or tightly controlled? Are they mainly an obstacle to the free and productive flow of ideas, people, goods and information and should therefore be largely dismantled? Or are massive borders welcome and indispensable as a protection against all kinds of real or perceived threats such as competition and terrorism?

For globalists such as Merkel, interconnectedness is a good thing because it is what drives progress towards more prosperity and freedom everywhere. For territorialists such as Trump, interconnectedness is mainly a threat.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/06/donald-trump-angela-merkel-territorial-global-ulrich-speck

Have you come to a decision on whether waterboarding is torture, claig? On your own, not quoting Fox TV dummies.

It really shouldn't have taken you more than a few minutes.