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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

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claig · 02/03/2016 09:27

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

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Mistigri · 18/03/2016 07:34

Google seems to think she's a cokehead, and it would certainly explain an awful lot.

Lweji · 18/03/2016 07:39

Certainly how hype she gets and how little sense she makes when speaking, but I don't think it's an excuse for ignorance about major issues.

CoteDAzur · 18/03/2016 08:06

That would explain a lot, actually.

claig · 18/03/2016 13:37

Interesting article on Trump's success being partly due to his direct, simple language (which is similar to Palin's).

"At this point in the Republican presidential primary race, Donald Trump’s intelligence is tough to dispute. The real estate magnate has managed to hack the electoral process so dramatically that it could break the modern-day GOP apart.

How has he pulled it off? Among many strategies is his—shall we say—unique way of speaking. To his supporters, Trump’s style is refreshingly direct. They say they like that Trump doesn’t worry about political correctness or sounding “like a politician.”
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the language that Trump uses consistently registers at the fourth grade level"

www.wired.com/2016/03/wired-opinion-way-trump-talks-debates-contagious/

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Lweji · 18/03/2016 13:57

the language that Trump uses consistently registers at the fourth grade level

Well...

He does know words. He has the best words.
As in:

My DS, at just over 4th grade age, could come up with more intelligent answers to anything, and in a more clear language. In fact, in two languages. Not only that, but my DS in general, shows better understanding of issues.

That clip clearly demonstrates why Trump is avoiding more debates like the plague.

claig · 18/03/2016 14:19
Grin

I watched that debate live. When they asked Trump that sneaky question, all Trump fans held their breath and hoped he would find a way out. We knew they had sneaked up on him and hit him from behind, we knew they had blindsided him, we knew their game.

We waited in anticipation to see whether Trump would fall or take it to them. Of course, in true Trump and Palin style style, he gave it right back to them and talked his way out of it without too much damage. Trump later on said that it was a typical "gotcha" questions that these people do, a "politician all talk, no action" type question, and Trump fans agreed. Trump survived it and the rest is history!

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Lweji · 18/03/2016 14:23

Why was that a sneaky question?

claig · 18/03/2016 14:29

'Why was that a sneaky question?'

It was a set up. Trump is a businessman, he doesn't know the arcane terminology the "all talk no action" politicians use on a daily basis. He didn't know what the "triad" was, he thought it was a Chinese criminal organisation, a bit like the Yakuza, just as Trump fans did. It was a "gotcha" question used by the Establishment to catch him out.

The proof of it was that on the live debate internet feed they had all the tweets from the Establishment journalists being broadcast live. They all came out of the woodwork, the modernisers, the phoney conservatives, Oxbridge, the teenage whizzkids and even the wonks waded in and they all said

"he's finished"
"he' out"
"it's over"
"he's blown it"

but Trump fans held their breath. They understood the Establishment game. Trump got through it unscathed. They tried to bring him down, but he had beat them yet again.

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Lweji · 18/03/2016 15:12

If he thought it was a Chinese triad, then his answer makes even less sense.

And he could certainly have asked the journalist to clarify what he meant by triad.
Or he could have started by saying that he was not up to speed with the "all talk, no action" terminology, but then explain what he thought the USA nuclear strategy should be.
Instead it was just a rambling, idiotic, answer, which, I'm sure, sounded good to many of his supporters, who just hear buzz words.

claig · 18/03/2016 15:15

'If he thought it was a Chinese triad, then his answer makes even less sense. '

I was joking. He didn't know what it meant.

Trump's whole image is to look as if he is in charge and is a leader, unlike the political class, so he tends not to show he doesn't know something or back down if he gets something wrong.

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Mistigri · 18/03/2016 15:32

lweji you're forgetting that "making sense" isn't one of Trump's goals, because it isn't a criteria by which low-information voters will judge him.

Lweji · 18/03/2016 15:33

But he clearly showed he had no clue what he was talking about.
It even looked worse, because Rubio followed up with a clear explanation of what the nuclear triad was.

Mistigri · 18/03/2016 15:35

He will of course at some point have to appeal to somewhat higher-information voters, at which point we can look forward to a succession of Palinesque moments as he shows himself to be completely unqualified to run a bath, let alone a country.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/03/2016 15:35

I hope he brushes up on nuclear weaponry before he ends up with his finger on the button Confused

claig · 18/03/2016 15:36

'It even looked worse, because Rubio followed up with a clear explanation of what the nuclear triad was.'

Yes, but Trump fans just see that as devious Establishment trickery. They discount Trump's weaknesses and dislike Establishment trickery. It all boils down to the simple thing that the Establishment are unable to shake, the belief that Trump is "on our side" and they aren't.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/03/2016 15:39

youtube of interview pay particular attention to 1:30

claig · 18/03/2016 15:42

'at which point we can look forward to a succession of Palinesque moments as he shows himself to be completely unqualified to run a bath, let alone a country.'

Mistigri, it won't happen. Nothing will hurt Trump at all.

The same journalist who asked about the nuclear triad had previously used some "gotchas" about foreign policy with Trump and Trump got Quds mixed up with Kurds etc. Trump called him a "third-rate announcer"

"Trump angered by detailed foreign policy questions during interview
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"I knew you were going to ask me things like this, and there's no reason, because number one, I'll find, I will hopefully find General Douglas MacArthur in the pack," the real estate mogul responded.

He added that the names change so often, such questions are like "history lessons".

"When you're asking me about who's running this, this, this, that's not, that is not, I will be so good at the military, your head will spin," he concluded.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34135543

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Lweji · 18/03/2016 15:43

Mistigri

I'm not forgetting at all what his goal is. Grin
I find it all entertaining.

Lweji · 18/03/2016 15:44

OhYouBadBadKitten

You mean "the nuclear"?

Lweji · 18/03/2016 15:52

The funniest thing on that video, about the nuclear triad, is that he says that "we need someone (...) who really knows what he or she is doing", thereby stating that he is not the man for the job, as he clearly doesn't know anything about "the nuclear" [strategy used by the USA].

Mistigri · 18/03/2016 15:55

The more he puts his foot in his mouth over nuclear issues, the easier HRC's job will be.

Sure, there are people who would vote for Trump even if he came right out with it and promised to drop a nuclear bomb on Mexico or Canada. Those people may make up about a third of Republican primary voters (who in turn are - at a guess - maybe 10% of the registered voting population).

But most voters will be more than a bit concerned about his credentials, once Hillary starts running attack ads that focus on Trump not having the faintest fucking clue about either foreign policy or nuclear weapons.

claig · 18/03/2016 16:00

'But most voters will be more than a bit concerned about his credentials, once Hillary starts running attack ads that focus on Trump not having the faintest fucking clue about either foreign policy or nuclear weapons.'

No, he will just say as he has said that "Hillary is reponsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths" and that the people who supposedly know what they are doing are the ones who have got us into these problems e.g. Libya, Syria, Iraq etc

The distrust of the elites, the political class like Rubio, the political correctness and spin and lies is huge and it is worldwide. We will find out how huge when Trump wins.

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Lweji · 18/03/2016 16:11

Like Farage?

claig · 18/03/2016 16:13

Farage is not as capable as Trump. He doesn't have the same confidence, the same pushback against political correctness and the same amount of money or humour or natural likeability. That is why he can't beat the Oxbridge teams, but Trump could easily do it.

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LineyReborn · 18/03/2016 16:20

Trump is not going to win.

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