is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

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From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

'What is he being "real" about? you don't know.'

Because real is heart, it is about heart, it is about emotion, it is about passion. I think Trump's heart is the right place and that he cares about the people and will fix America for the people. That is what I call "real", someone who is for the people.

It is the phoneys in the Etablishment, the Lyin' Teds, that I don't like, although Ted is not as bad as all that, he does say good things too, but I don't trust him or any of the others to do any of the things they say because I think they are all Establishment stooges, "puppets" as Trump calls them, "bought and paid for" as Trump says.

Trump is "real" because they don't own him, they can't control him, he insults them and they say "how awful" and Blair says he is "anxious", so Trump for me is "real".

'But how do you know what is he going get done when you cannot tell what is lies and what is truth?'

I don't know, I believe he will because he is "real" and his heart is in the right place, with the people which is why he gets the largest crowds of any politician.

As MN is a parenting site, some mumsnetters may find this interesting. It seems that one strong indicator of whether someone is likely to be a Trump supporter is their parenting style.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/01/how-your-parenting-style-predicts-whether-you-support-donald-trump/

'What actual evidence do you have for that?

And don't write "because he says". Or because others are afraid of him.
It doesn't make him any good by default.'

Because of my instinct, the same as the instinct of the crowds, the largest of any candidate, that turn up to his rallies and the same as the instincts of the Republican voters who have put him in the lead for Republican nominee. There are no guarantees, you can only go on judgement. Do you think Blair is real or Trump? I know what I think.

'From where I stand he is just like any other politician.
Promising what he thinks the electorate wants to hear.'

OK, that is your instinct. It differs from the Republican voters who have placed Trump in pole position. If you think Trump is just like Cameron, Osborne, Blair, Gordon Brown and Hillary Benn, that is your instinct and judgement.

Fascinating Seneca. Thank you.

To me if you are talking from the heart, you are being TRUTHFUL.

If you do not know which of his utterings are lies then you do not know he is actually someone who is "for the people".

I think you are mistaking heightened cynical rhetoric for HEART.

It's a pity that so many people seem to mistake angry misogynistic bigotry as speaking from the heart.

'From where I stand he is just like any other politician'

Then why are all their jaws dropping and why are they all condemning him? If he was just like them, he wouldn't be the leader in the race to be Republican nominee. Trump is their worst nightmare. I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps Blair up at night reaching for the alka-seltzer and a bottle of whiskey. That's good enough for me.

I don't know anything for sure, I think he is for real. The proof will be in the pudding.

The editors of the Oxford English Dictionary will soon have to consider adding some new words to the English lexicon that will last for centuries and be used to convey the utter oanic of the ruling elite at the rise of the people - words like Trumpocalypse and Trumpening.

"Trumpocalypse: The GOP Establishment's Worst Nightmare Is Now Coming True

The Trumpening is upon us.

Barring a wholly unforeseen upset, Donald Trump will formally accept the Republican Party's nomination for president at Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena in July, having vanquished an establishment we were long assured would ultimately prevail over the billionaire populist, once the voting actually started and the rank-and-file came to its senses."

mic.com/articles/136084/trumpocalypse-the-gop-establishment-s-worst-nightmare-is-now-coming-true

The Trumpocalyse is upon them. Soon when Trump shouts "Get 'em the hell outta here", the Establishment knows he will talking about them and not any protestors. The Establishment will have truly been Trumped and the people will laugh and cheer "USA USA USA".

Can you imagine the size of the Trump rally when Trump is inaugurated as President in 2017? Half of America will be there and viewing figures worldwide will exceed the Super Bowl, the World Cup and the Labour Party Conference combined.

Because of my instinct

Haven't we seen how accurate your instinct was in relation to other politicians?
From Blair (IIRC) to Erdogan?

I didn't claim that my instinct is right, only that it is mine and is similar to the instinct of millions of Republican voters who have put Trump in the lead.

Your instinct that Trump is the same as any other politician like Hillary Benn may be right, but that is not my instinct.

Then why are all their jaws dropping and why are they all condemning him?

Mostly because he is appealing to the worst part of the US population. To their racist, sexist and violent sides.

The US does need change, but not in the way that Trump wants to lead.

Sadly, they may well go one (or more steps) back before moving forward again. Just as extreme movements are gaining hold in Europe.
It is interesting, but also somewhat frightening, that after many years of barely any differences in the middle of the political spectrum, voters are polarizing. I suspect it's mostly voters who haven't been through the upheaval of conflicting political currents in power. Revolution and strong standings sound great until you are in the middle of it.

I asked:
'What actual evidence do you have for that? (that he is for real and will try to do them and if he achieves half of them it will be a great thing. Trump is far better than the rest of them)

And you replied

Because of my instinct,

That is claiming that your instinct is correct.

So, if your instinct is not evidence, and you know that your instinct has not been correct in previous occasions, what evidence do you have, then?

I could keep asking this question for the rest of the thread.

They had Blair on Fox News just over a week ago and he looked very chuffed to still be getting attention and they asked him what he thought of Trump and the US elections and he said something like I don't understand what is happening, it's happening everywhere. And then he went into full Oxbridge mode and said what we need is a "muscular centre".

The reason Trump is having such success is because of Blair and that lot in the "centre" and no one apart from Blair and the Establishment wants to see a "muscular centre". Heaven help us! Go Trump! "Get 'em outta here", the corrupt "muscular centre".

OP, why on earth do you obsess so much about what Blair thinks? He's not in power and he's not going to be in power. It's really strange to base your views about the candidate for leadership of one country on what you speculate might or might not bother someone who stopped being Prime Minister of another country almost nine years ago.

'And you replied

Because of my instinct,

That is claiming that your instinct is correct.'

No it is not. I said I don't know anything for sure, the only evidence I have is to use my senses and my common sense which makes me think that Trump is for real, but the proof will be in the pudding. You may turn out to be right and Trump won't be for real and will be just like any other politician, just like Hillary Benn and that Hillary Benn will start shouting "Get 'em the hell outta here" at a speech where there are a maximum of 6 attendees.

I don't know for sure.

'OP, why on earth do you obsess so much about what Blair thinks? '

Because I think that Blair and Brown and above all Hillary Benn are funny in their level of incompetence. Just the mention of the word Blair and the imagining of his pompous face makes me laugh in the same way that Trump obsesses about "low energy Jeb Bush" which makes him and the crowd of tens of thousands laugh.

I think "low energy" JebBush, Lyin' Ted holding up the Bible in one hand and then putting it down and lying, pompous Blair and his sidekick Gordon Bennett are funny.

One of the major reasons for Trump's success is that he mocks his opponents and the people laugh because they think they are funny because they are useless.

But no one finds Hillary funny because she is serious and will do things that are not funny.

Trump is far better than the rest of them

But this is a clear statement. Not "I think he is".

Your posts are full of such definitive statements.

And even if you do believe him, why do you believe him? Other than simply wanting to believe?

But no one finds Hillary funny because she is serious and will do things that are not funny.

Why should she be funny?

Is that what people want from a President? That he's funny? Wasn't W. enough?

'Trump is far better than the rest of them

But this is a clear statement. Not "I think he is".

Yes because it is implicit that I think that, otherwise I would have to write "I think" and "in my opinion" before everything I say.

Let's not get ridiculously nitpicky in an attempt to score points, it is a discussion, everything I say is what I think, that should be obvious.

You said

"It's been a very dangerous game he's been playing, and now we are all seeing the consequences"

I assume that is what you think and I don't ask you to preface it with "I think".

'Why should she be funny?'

She doesn't have to be and she isn't, she is what she is.

I think Blar and his sidekick Gordon Bennett and Hillary Benn are funny, not in the sense that I like them or find their gags amusing, but in the sense that i think they are a total jke and are useless in the same wasy as "low energy" Jeb Bush is funny because it means he is useless.

Hillary is not useless, she is serious, so she is not funny in the sense that Blair and his sidekick are.

'why do you believe him? Other than simply wanting to believe?'

I don't want to believe anything, I just believe. It's a bit like "credo ergo sum", I just believe what i believe and you believe that Trump is just like any other politician. I don't ask you why you believe that, i just think you are wrong.

"It's been a very dangerous game he's been playing, and now we are all seeing the consequences"

I assume that is what you think and I don't ask you to preface it with "I think".

Actually, that is an observation from his actions and what has happened in the last few days. My impressions based on events. Not my gut feeling.

I just believe what i believe and you believe that Trump is just like any other politician.

Because he has lied. Because he has changed his views dramatically (for example on abortion). Because his track record as a business man doesn't agree with what he promises.
Rather more evidence than I just want to believe.