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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

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claig · 02/03/2016 09:27

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

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CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 17:13

The reality is Trump said he would like to punch a protester in the face, then at a rally one of his supporters did exactly that. "I love the old days," Trump said. "You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks." That is incitement to violence.

At another rally, Trump told his supporters "knock the crap out of" protesters if they threw tomatoes at him. "I will pay for the legal fees. I promise," he said.That is also incitement to violence.

Weeks after Trump said he wanted to punch a protester in the face, John McGraw, a 78-year-old supporter, actually did so. He then said "Next time we see him, we might have to kill him".

So claig, are you going to condemn Trump for his incitement to violence? You know, since you are against incitement to violence and all that.

claig · 12/03/2016 17:21

'How do you account for the violence towards people at rallies and even a journalist?'

Trump has condemned the Trump supporter who punched the man in the face. He can't control 25000 people attending his rallies.

One journalist was tackled by the secret service because he stepped outside a certain area. The security around Trump has to be tight. He was just rushed on stage at a rally in Ohio from behind and his security and police handled it.

'Kicking out people who are doing nothing?'

Only protestors are kicked out because they are disrupting the event.

'By your own account his discourse incites unrest.'

He does not incite unrest.

'The reality is Trump said he would like to punch a protester in the face, then at a rally one of his supporters did exactly that. "I love the old days," Trump said. "You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks." That is incitement to violence.'

No, Trump is joking, he does not tell people to go and do it and no one believes that Trump would punch anyone in the face including Rubio who said that "Trump has never punched anyone in the face". In Fact, when Trump was rushed on stage just now, he said "! would have liked to have dealt with it myself, but I think it's better for the police to do it." No one believes that Trump would really want to be in a fight on stage.

"I will pay for the legal fees. I promise"

That is a joke and the crowd laughed and didn't take it seriously. If it was serious, then Trump could be sued for inciting violencebut he isn't.

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CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 17:27

Trump says he'd like to punch a protester and tells his supporters to "knock the crap out of protesters", promising to pay their legal fees. That is not a joke. It is incitement to violence. And you condone this.

Trump's supporters laugh because they are too soft in the head to realise the implications of such a thug as a potential future leader. They also seem to have the maturity of a 12-year-old, finding it funny when a classmate is being bullied. It's pathetic and sickening, and so are those who find it OK.

claig · 12/03/2016 17:31

Trump is joking, he is not serious and is not condoning violence or he could be sued for it and he isn't being sued.

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Lweji · 12/03/2016 17:36

The problem with joking is when people take you serious.

claig · 12/03/2016 17:39

'The problem with joking is when people take you serious.'

Yes, there was the incident where a 78 year old man punched a protestor in the face and Trump condemned that. Apart from that there have been very few violent incidents at rallies of tens of thousands of people. In yesterday's rally a protestor swung a punch at a Trump supporter on camera.

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CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 17:39

Don't be ridiculous. Who is going to sue a billionaire who has an army of lawyers?

CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 17:41

Normal people don't joke about "Oh let's kick the shit out of people who don't agree with us".

And when someone does, normal people don't find that funny.

Adults, that is.

claig · 12/03/2016 17:41

'Who is going to sue a billionaire who has an army of lawyers?'

Some of these left wing protest movements are backed by left wing billionaires. If their rights were infringed due to what Trump himself had done, then they could sue him.

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CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 17:46

Your theory is what, that Bill Gates will commit 10 million $ to getting Trump prosecuted for inciting violence while there are many projects to be financed in the world?

I know it isn't easy, but seriously. Think.

You managed it with torture (below) and I'm sure you can manage to come to a decision on your own in this matter, too:

Is it incitement to violence or not when a leader of a movement tells his supporters to kick the shit out of dissenters, saying he will pay their legal bills?

Come on, claig. I know you can do it.

claig · 12/03/2016 17:51

No, I have said that Trump is joking, it is not incitement to violence. If it was then the Republican elite would censure Trump because they are trying absolutely everything they can to stop Trump.

This is the most important election in our lifetimes. Trump will reverse the entire free trade global agenda and they will stop at absolutely nothing to stop him. That is why there are so many funded protests against him in an attempt to disrupt what he has to say and to turn the public against him, to the extent that his Republican opponent, Marco Rubio, even now suggests that he may not be able to endorse Trump if Trump wins the nomination.

Nothing has affected Trump's popularity and their attempts to stop Trump will get more desperate, the more primaries Trump wins.

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claig · 12/03/2016 17:57

''We stopped Trump!' Mob shuts down Chicago rally'

www.wnd.com/2016/03/we-stopped-trump-mob-shuts-down-chicago-rally/

Bernie is a good guy and hopefully he will denounce these protests which have nothing to do with him but are organised by money not from him. Soon Obama may be asked about this disruption of free speech which is part of the political process in a free society.

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Lweji · 12/03/2016 18:05

Bernie is a good guy and hopefully he will denounce these protests which have nothing to do with him but are organised by money not from him.

So, why should he, specifically, denounce them?

claig · 12/03/2016 18:09

Because a lot of the protestors have Bernie banners and are giving democracy a bad name by disrupting some of the largest political events in US history to the extent that tens of thousands of law abiding Trump supporters waited for hours and were denied the opportunity to listen to Trump.

As MoveOn and similar far left groups step up their attempts to disrupt Trump's campaign, some of the media will eventually ask Obama what he thinks about what is happening and we will have to see what he says about it.

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CoteDAzur · 12/03/2016 18:10

It is not a joke to tell a mob to kick the shit out of the 1 dissenter in the crowd.

And you are visibly squirming to excuse your hero, the smug, irresponsible bully.

Lweji · 12/03/2016 18:56

Obama calls GOP candidates to condemn violence not incite it...
In case you missed it: abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-republican-candidates-condemn-violence-rallies/story?id=37601466

claig · 12/03/2016 19:16

"Obama didn’t directly address a Donald Trump rally in his hometown of Chicago that was canceled Friday over safety concerns or mention Trump directly during his remarks calling for civility in the campaign. The president did say leaders have a responsibility to “speak out against violence.”

Trump condemned the violence of the man who punched the protestor in the face. Hopefully, Obama will soom condemn the protestors who are bragging about stopping a Trump rally.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2016 19:24

Trump was outrageous to encourage his supporters to attack hecklers. That's dangerous in any country, but especially in the US, where too many people of all political persuasions, carry guns as naturally as credit cards.

The Secret Service are bound to be jumpy at anybody, such as that daft reporter, getting into areas that they set off limit. Not surprising they knocked him down very roughly.
There is a dreadful history of shooting Presidents & candidates and no agent wants that disaster on his record. The Secret Service are controlled by the Treasury Dept, not Trump.

In fairness, he hasn't encouraged heckling of his opponents' rallies and I think it possible the Chicago protests could harden his vote.
I'm concerned violence on both sides could escalate and spread. Trump urgently needs to dial back on encouraging beatings. He can be as agressive as he wants about squeezing the oligarchs - they are well protected financially & physically.

Lweji · 12/03/2016 19:35

Do check some recent comments by Cruz on this, claig, as you like quotes and sources so much. www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2016/03/12/cruz-trump-reaping-trump-sown/

All candidates are likely to get hecklers and people who confront them on stage. The Trump is the only one who threatens them.

I think Cruz hit the nail on the head when he compares Trump to someone who demands faithfulness and stamps on disagreement, despite his campaign for supposed non-political correctness. He's demanding it from people showing up at his rallies. He's demanding no dissent at all.

It's what his rethoric has called for. And what you are seeing now in the US is likely to happen at international level, should be US be so unlucky to have him as president.
But this is what you have asked for.

claig · 12/03/2016 20:02

'Do check some recent comments by Cruz on this, claig, as you like quotes and sources so much'

Yes, I have heard Cruz on Fix, along with Rubio and Ksich and Hillary, all blaming Trump. That is politics because the Republicans are all way behind him and Hillary is in a contest with him.

Ben Carson said what BigChocFrenzy said, that Trump should dial back his rhetoric and I am sure that he will.

'I think Cruz hit the nail on the head when he compares Trump to someone who demands faithfulness and stamps on disagreement'

No that is Cruz getting desperate. Trump fans have a laugh in Trump rallies and Trump jokingly asked them to raise their hands and pledge that they would support and vote for him "even if there is a hurricane". It was a laugh and the crowd loved it and Cruz pretended that it was Trump "demanding allegiance" as if the Trump fans are robots who do whatever he says. They are all desperate to stop Trump and they will try absolutely anything to stop him.

'But this is what you have asked for.'

I think this is the most amazing thing we have ever seen, a politician in touch with the people who attracts the biggest political crowds in history and who is opposed by the entire world elite, the entire Establishment, the Pope, Vicente Fox, senior Saudis, MoveOn.org and assorted funded left wing groups, the Economist, the BBC and the PPEs at the Guardian. It is incedible what is happening.

This is all you need to know as to why it is great for the people if Trump wins.

"Donald Trump's success is frightening: Tony Blair"

www.cnbc.com/2016/03/02/donald-trumps-success-is-frightening-tony-blair.html

"He [Martin Schultz] said neither the US nor Europe were prepared for such an American leader, and added that “Honestly, I prefer another candidate.”

The German-born Schulz has served as President of the European Parliament, one of the major governing bodies of the European Union, since 2012.
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The dominant reaction to the effective collapse of the Republican Party establishment in the face of Trump appeared to be jaw-dropping astonishment, mixed with dread at what may lie ahead.

“The Trump candidacy has opened the door to madness: for the unthinkable to happen, a bad joke to become reality,” German business daily Handelsblatt wrote in a recent commentary.

“The meteoric rise of the New York magnate has left half the planet dumbfounded,” wrote columnist Andrea Rizzi in Spain’s leading newspaper, El Pais.
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Thuraya Ebrahim al-Arrayed, a member of Saudi Arabia’s top advisory body, the Shura Council, said a Trump presidency would be “catastrophic” and set the world back “not just generations, but centuries.”
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Writing in the Financial Times of London, Martin Wolf summed up the mood of a good share of Europe’s business and economic elite, arguing that it would be a “global disaster” if Trump made it all the way to the Oval Office.
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On Wednesday, Laurent Wauquiez, a French conservative lawmaker, said Trump’s popularity is revealing of a general trend that has traversed the Atlantic.

“What it shows is that in democracies today, citizens no longer want people to tell them what they should think, what they should say. That’s what makes Donald Trump seductive,” Wauquiez told France 2 Television."

www.timesofisrael.com/eu-parliament-leader-trump-a-populist-with-no-experience/

If that lot are against Trump and the American people are for him, then Trump must be a good thing. He spells the end of political correctness, the end of globalism, the end of futiile wars, the end of the global elite, the end of the loss of sovereignty, the end of rule by political insiders and Oxbridge think tanks and wonks and a retrun to government of the people, by the people for the people.

We the People are back and we hope Trump restores power back to the people.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2016 20:10

Getting scarier: A protestor arrested & charged after trying to get to Trump at a rally WPost
Trump there was blaming Bernie's supporters for Chicago

wiltingfast · 12/03/2016 20:14

Claig. Watch the footage. The man is not joking.

His supporters don't think he is joking.

His statements are clear and unequivocal.

He is responsible for inciting people to violence.

The protesters are peaceful. He could ignore them and carry on. But no. He yells. Addresses them personally. Says THEY are the people "destroying the country", says "these are not our people" "these people won't make America great again" yells at them to go home to mummy, go get a job.

Ands that's on top of loads of bs about the good old days. What days is talking about? The days of lynching and murder?

And you come on here and spam these threads with your endless mindless Trumplove and expect us to believe you don't support violence?

Seriously?

If that's true you need to re examine your Trumplove because what happened last night in Chicago was no accident.

claig · 12/03/2016 20:21

wiltingfast, I have watched Trump rallies. Trump is joking, he says "go back home to mommy" as a joke. These protestors deliberately try to disrupt Trump rallies.

'The protesters are peaceful. '

Yes, most of them are and Trump then just shouts "Get 'em out" but occasionally some of them are violent too.

'expect us to believe you don't support violence?"

I don't support violence of any sort which is why I think the MoveOn protestors should not rip up Trump supporters' banners and throw punches at them as they did in the arena in Chicago last night which is one of the reasons trump called the rally off in case anyone got hurt on either side.

'what happened last night in Chicago was no accident'

I agree, as Trump said "it was planned" by left wing groups such as MoveOn.

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GruntledOne · 12/03/2016 20:24

You seriously think it's OK for Trump to joke about violence?