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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

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claig · 02/03/2016 09:27

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

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claig · 10/03/2016 19:03

'And I've read her books so I should know.'

I've got her books, bought them when they first came out but haven't actually read them yet. Maybe I will one day.

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LineyReborn · 10/03/2016 19:08

They're hugely long, claig. And not exactly holiday reading. I got lumbered with reading them when I was conned into asked to assist with teaching part of a module on 'Gender, Jung and Science' or something along those lines.

claig · 10/03/2016 19:11

''Gender, Jung and Science''

Sounds interesting. I am a bit of a Jungian in spirit myself.

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PitilessYank · 10/03/2016 19:11

Well, to Paglia's credit, she sees through Clinton's bullshit!

Paglia could be a whole 'nother thread.

claig · 10/03/2016 19:14

Rule 40B (about the requirement to have a majority of delegates in 8 seats) expires the day before the Republican Convention and is likely to be rewritten by Establishment groups and committees.

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PitilessYank · 10/03/2016 19:26

Claig-is that how the Republican establishment is going to try to sink Trump? I am afraid I don't understand that very well.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2016 20:08

The purpose of US (and UK) party politics seems to be to loot the public on behalf of the party paymasters.
i.e. "It's the Loot, stupid"

Hence why the leadership might try forcing their voters to vote for whom they are given. Since it's not about

Cruz is very far to the right even in this dreadful GOP and he's a real religious fanatic, totally anti-choice and gay rights. The polls suggest neither he nor Trump nor Cruz would beat Hillary or Bernie.
However, the GOP apparatchiks seem especially determined to stop Trump, but are ignoring Cruz.
Is this determination because they really do think he wouldn't let the usual piggy snouts in the public trough ?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2016 20:09

Oops, since it's not about money

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2016 20:10

Sorry, I'm typing while frying bacon. Bacon sarnie supper Smile

claig · 10/03/2016 20:48

'Claig-is that how the Republican establishment is going to try to sink Trump?'

I think so. I was listening to a US former Republican and conservative commentator who said it. He says that the top Republican elite will do absolutely everything they can to stop Trump. He doesn't think Romney will get it, they may try someone else or even put up with Cruz who they can't stand even though he would lose to Hillary. He said they would prefer Hillary to win rather than Trump because they are basically a "racket" and keeping their privileges comes above party and country.

Personally, I think they are controlled by billionaire special interests and therefore have no choice but to stop Trump. The real reason they must stop Trump is because he is opposed to the 200 year old system of "fair trade" that has enriched the bankers and destroyed US jobs and wages and whose aim is to create a globalised world where national sovereignty becomes irrelevant.

Trump has popped up and has shocked them all by his success. He threatens the entire globalist project which is why the entire controlled political class across the planet is worried about what happens if Trump wins and ends the globalist system of open borders, free trade, neoliberalism, globalisation and ends the destruction of national sovereignty. If Trump takes America back from them, then it is all over for the global elite because America is much more powerful than the cogs in their wheels.

That is why it is desperate for them to stop Trump and that is why we have seen the Pope, Vicente Fox, teh Chinese government, German ministers, assorted modernisers in the UK, Saudi princes, Mitt Romney and the Republican elite, the usual Oxbridge comedians, the Guardian, the BBC, the Economist and Uncle Tom Cobbley all come out against Trump. All Trump has got is the people, but they may well be enough to sink the global elite.

Billions are at stake, their entire plan for the world population and climate change targets etc are at stake. Trump spoils the plan, so they want to spoil his run.

"On Trade, Donald Trump Breaks With 200 Years of Economic Orthodoxy"

www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/us/politics/-trade-donald-trump-breaks-200-years-economic-orthodoxy-mercantilism.html

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claig · 10/03/2016 20:50

Sorry meant to say

he is opposed to the 200 year old system of "free trade"

not "fair trade"

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claig · 10/03/2016 21:02

Bernie is with Trump on trade, but Bernie is with the globalists on open borders, climate change and supranational institutions, therefore he is not as great a threat to them as Trump is.

Also they will outmanoeuvre Bernie and he is unlikely to be able to win. Trump is a smart businessman who knows all the top billionares, he knows business, he knows all the tricks, all the lawyers, all the loopholes, he knows how they think and what they do which is why he can outsmart them and Bernie can't.

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2016 21:18

The Washington Post had a poll with unconventional supplementary poll questions, which supposedly revealed: Your PARENTING style predicts whether you are a Trumper Hmm

claig · 10/03/2016 21:24

The following is not allowed by the billionaires and bankers because it goes against globalisation and what they call "free trade". They don't care about local communities and the jobs of ordinary people, they believe in the "market" which enriches them and throws ordinary people on the scrapheap.

Trump has said "not gonna happen anymore" which is why they are all apoplectic and have been reduced to calling Trump Hitler in their desperation to stop him.

They are using comedians from Oxbridge, journalists from Ivy League Schools, Holliywood actors and even Mitt Romney to try and put an end to Trump.

"Neil Mortensen remembers how neighbors lost factory jobs in this suburb north of Detroit, and then, inexorably and sadly, their homes.

“I’d see all these businesses that used to produce normal products, even brooms, that everybody uses and purchases today, but are not produced here — they are produced overseas,” he said.

A construction manager, Mr. Mortensen escaped the waves of layoffs because his employer, which once built plants for heavy industry, is now in the demolition business. “Those factories are gone, and I get to knock ’em down, unfortunately,” he said.

Which is how he and his wife, Kathy, ended up at a rally for Donald J. Trump, the anti-free-trade billionaire who promises to slap 35 percent tariffs on Ford cars built in Mexico. “We’re hopeful that Donald can bring those jobs back, and our neighbors, too,” Mr. Mortensen said."

www.nytimes.com/2016/03/07/us/politics/michigan-primary.html

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2016 21:50

What would he really do as President ? Poltico may have a sneak preview: Donald Trump: The First 100 Days
Bernie, rescue USA (with pic for pitiless )

is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]
claig · 10/03/2016 21:54

Just hours before tonight's debate, Trump has yet again upped the ante by caling for higher tariffs on EU countries in his move against "free trade". He knows that the other Republicans and Hillary can't follow him because they are not allowed to because they are part of the system.

"Trump calls for tariff hike ahead of Republican debate

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called for raising tariffs on foreign-made goods on Thursday, in a further break from his party's free-trade philosophy ahead of nominating contests in big industrial states that have been hit hard by globalization
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Trump on Thursday criticized European Union nations and other countries for lowering interest rates, saying the move could cost manufacturing jobs at home. He said the United States should raise tariffs in response.

"We just sit back and do nothing," Trump, 69, said on CNBC television. "That's getting to be very dangerous as far as I'm concerned."

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PitilessYank · 10/03/2016 22:11

Thank you, Claig, for the explanation, and thank you BigChoc for the marvelous picture! I will add it to my collection!

PitilessYank · 10/03/2016 22:13

Hmmm, new fantasy: if a Trump is tossed off the ticket by Republican insiders, his supporters vote for Bernie (if he is the other candidate).

claig · 10/03/2016 22:21

Trump has threatened to go independent if they mistreat him and he will take his voters with him which will sink the Republicans and possibly tear the Republican Party apart, but yes some Trump voters would switch to Bernie.

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claig · 10/03/2016 22:28

There is likely to be a huge split within the Republican Party. People like Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani etc will probably want to stick with Trump and Jeb Bush, Lindsey Graham, Kasich, Rubio etc will probably want to dump Trump.

It may depend on Cruz and whether Trump offers Cruz anything good, if Trump actually trusts Cruz. But Cruz may in fact be captive to the money of the Establishment donors which means he won't be able to go with Trump. Neil Bush has joined or backed Cruz's team in the last few days. Lindsey Graham doesn't like Cruz but it looks like they have to accept Cruz, whom they dislike, to stop Trump, whom they fear.

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claig · 10/03/2016 23:02

The Stump for Trump sisters live at a Trump rally yesterday in North Carolina, where they live.

"a vote for Trump is a vote against the Establishment"

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fourmummy · 11/03/2016 18:30

This is interesting (and especially the comments) in light of 'Trump supporters are mostly uneducated' thinking:

chronicle.com/article/Meet-the-Academics-Who-Want/235664

He has actually become a bit of an enigma.

Lweji · 11/03/2016 18:34

It's still true of most supporters.
And most of the supposed academics are phd students.

fourmummy · 11/03/2016 18:50

I was thinking more re the comment that there are more academics supporting Trump than we imagine (I'm guessing that this references academics and not PhD students). Although I don't like his persona as it is portrayed in the media, I've become more interested in him as a politician. I still can't work him and his popularity out - and that makes him a curiosity. Part of his appeal, perhaps?

Mistigri · 11/03/2016 19:04

However, the GOP apparatchiks seem especially determined to stop Trump, but are ignoring Cruz.
Is this determination because they really do think he wouldn't let the usual piggy snouts in the public trough ?

I think if it comes to a straight choice between the two, there are "establishment" Republicans who will actually prefer Trump, especially if they can pair him with a more mainstream running mate. Trump has very little political experience and he will struggle intellectually once he is pitted against a sharper democrat candidate or (God forbid) has to get to grips with the reality of decision-making.

In contrast, Cruz is really not at all respected or trusted by the GOP and I think it's recognised that he is not a likeable candidate. He will also be attacked on the basis of his eligibility. And he is an intelligent, educated and unscrupulous man who might be seen as the more dangerous candidate by some republicans.

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