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My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

aloha you could hardly call that a 'huge chunk' missing fromthe south side of WTC7? There is a picture of it somewhere on here and the building opposite has a much larger chunk out of it's corner missing. Also the collapse started on the East side of the building where a 'kink' appeared. My query would be - taking into account the width of the building, if the collapse started on the one side how come it fell so uniformly? Surely it would collapse to the damaged side and maybe bring down other parts but surely not all, not even leaving any superstructure at all?

I really don't see how anyone can not say this collapse is not 'odd'.

I just feel that valid points are being laughed at..I might not have professional expertise but I can read...I can work things out....
There ARE people out there who are extremely capable of research...experiments.....why are their view points being overlooked????

Brainiac is fully qualified of course

[I'm impressed MB.]

From what have read, the inner structure of the building was set up so that if it collapsed it would do so , if possible, pulling inwards, or within its own foot print. This would, if nothing else, help with its ultimate knocking down at the end of its expected life span. It would alwa=ys be expected to be surounded by other buildings, so it was designed that way.

But I'm not an architect.

Oh sorry betty, I misunderstood!

No idea about the jumbos but 747...757...767...they're all pretty much the same to me, and him too I suppose.

ludaloo, it doesn't matter that people laugh.

There are plenty of experienced people who think there are inconsistencies in the official explanations.

It doesn't bother me that dh thinks I'm nuts . I prefer to think of myself as being open to all arguments and not just accept things at face value.

ludo, I have no probelm with people asking questions, in fact my livlyhood kind of depends on it. But if someone gives you a counter argument you can't just expect them to give up, can you?

The work ;thermite' sounds very convincing. But in reality it is a simple reaction that I've done with year 9.

I really *have seen my son pilot a simulator into a relativly small building, my dh really is a pilot and feels the flying was no big deal.

All of this is my direct personal experience,stuff i know a bit about, and as such I think is rather convincing. You obviously don't.

There you go.

I'll go now since we are all getting no-where.

If the US government had nothing to hide then why not let a thorough investigation be done??
Why did they ship all the evidence away to be recycled so quickly independant research teams could not do a proper investigation???

Why do they not just release proper evidence of the Pentagon plane hitting...there was more footage..just taken and never shown...why don't they just show it??? Of what consequence is it to them if we see the actuall plane hit?? We all saw the other planes hit.

People have been salvaging pieces of plane wreckages for years and reconstructing them to assertain what really happened...what is so different about this case??

MB I am under no doubt that you are a very clever, experienced and knowledgable individual...no doubt at all...I'm very impressed by your knowledge...very impressed indeed!! What can I say! Your dh is also evidently very very intellectual..I mean

"dh is, I think the only dh pilot on mn. He said what they did was a piece of piss for someone with rudementary pilot training. He has 20 odd years of experince of flying a wide range of fighters and big, multi engine planes. Why should I doubt him? Unless he is a lizad???
By JanH on Tue 02-Jan-07 19:41:59 "

You said it...several times...I really do admire the pair of you!!
I didn't ever dispute this.

I know nothing of science or architecture..or any of the engineering of such a complex subject.

But...I do have a mind of my own....

I get cross that other very intellegent people are being overlooked

Your are spot on MB this is a discussion....
You are just as fiesty in expressing your opinions as the next person in all honesty....
My anger isn't at you personally is it...its at the fustration of the fact views just get pushed aside

oh...and that I get asked to watch my mouth and be nice to you......
That pisses me off too

Ludaloo we are just very glad to have MB on here at all at the moment - she is going through a very tough time. I think some of us might be feeling a bit protective of her that's all.

from wtc7.net - this is what I have been trying say (not very well!)

"NIST released a photograph in 2005 showing a large gouge in the lower portion of the southwest corner of Building 7, and its collapse scenario deviates significantly from FEMA's in emphasizing alleged structural damage from the collapse of the North Tower. That photograph is notable for its lack of corroboration, and NIST's claims of other regions of damage to the building's south face lack substantiating evidence. Even if NIST's claims about structural damage from North Tower debris were true, it would not begin to explain the precipitous, symmetrical manner in which Building 7 collapsed. Structural damage to the south side particularly to the lower stories would have made any kind of vertical collapse all the more unlikely. "

am finding all this fantastic reading both sides are being put very well, I keep changing my mind, am very fickle!

I am with MB on this. Lots of sense coming from that direction.

The conspiracy theories have been around right from the start. They'll always be some sick person, right at the start of a disaster, who willt hink fof a way to cash in or make a meal out of it. Bet those who started it are so pleased with themselves.

Poor victims and their family and friends What must they feel having to read all this all the time.

here's the full page

ruty...I really do know the situation, I have posted on several threads regarding it.

I didn't need someone diving in and making it personal. I can not even begin to comprehend what she is having to deal with at the moment, I really can't, she has my upmost respect in many many ways.

She has held her views admirably throughout the whole thread...I was not aware that defending my own views was such a problem

I might well of got cross and my language slipped...hers did also on occasion.

I was not aware that by fighting my corner on a debate about 9/11 I was desrespecting her personal life.

hula Jersey Girls

fair enough ludaloo i was just thinking that might explain uwila being a bit protective of MB.

hula, until Jan 05 there was a 9/11 Family Steering Committee who pushed very hard for the enquiry into what happened on 9/11 (without them it may never have taken place at all). They had a lot of questions of their own, many of which have not been satisfactorily answered.

The committee has been disbanded but the members are still out there seeking information. These are their unanswered questions from the Commission - some of them are the same ones that have been asked here.

But so many 'facts' turn out to be nothing of the sort on examination. Like the officer 'found' in the rubble of WTC7 - only he wasn't. And the 'very difficult' flying, which wasn't. And the stuff shipped away so quickly - which lots of people say wasn't.
As for the building collapse - well, it is difficult for me to say why it fell like that. The explanations I have heard about steel being weakened both by impact and fire, and the supports of the concrete floors to the steel frame being relatively weak, sound reasonable enough to me. I do not believe they were deliberately blown up, as I can't see why that would be done, given that planes were flown into them. It would mean the planes were also fake and everything all made up, which I really, really don't believe.

Lord, we really haven't had enough to do recently, have we?

BTW, that wasn't aimed at you, Aloha.

Well, in the last few days I've finalised arrangements for a funeral, taken the kids to the pantomime, shopping, to the library, bookshops and to an art gallery. I've gone out with dh for the day including lunch and a trip round the National Portrait Gallery, written two features and done a lot of washing. But I do confess that I am using this as an excellent distraction mechanism to avoid thinking about tomorrow! (honestly, I'm not offended or cross!)

All I know is that there are other ways for wars to be started and had the western world wanted to instigate something like this they could have chosen something that cost less human life than 9/11. I just feel like its too drastic a thing to do. That doesn't mean I don't think the US administration of the time couldn't have seen it coming had they been more intelligent, believing and less arrogant about an attack on home soil. All the theories in the world also do not explain how certain people within al qaeda made a fortune by using the stock markets to their advantage with 9/11, how could they have done that if they were not responsible - it's not like the US gment would have contacted to let them know unless there is an even wider conspiracy involving all parties.
Its a sad fact that there are extreme terroist cells out there that are willing to commit these atrocities to get their point across. Spain, UK, Bali - these can't all be western gment conspiracies. For every piece of evidence there is to say that 9/11 wasn't a terrorist hit, there is also a piece of evidence to say it was. That's the beauty of conspiricy theories - they are virtually unproveable - hence the Diana saga, the titanic story, the IRA campaigns that were really tory bombing campaigns, the Da Vinci Code, Marilyn, JFK and the mob....the list goes on!!!