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BeetrootsResolution · 30/12/2006 12:39

My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

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AllieBongo · 02/01/2007 13:26

can't believe i missed this. must admit loose change did make me think about this a lot, Especially the hole in the pentagon not being plane, sized/shaped. I have been to the pentagon, it is not as huge as you would expect, so there would def have been more damage.

Papillon · 02/01/2007 13:32

The video did not run to long, about 30 minutes.

He talked about the cores of the WTC, the cores (47 of them) were mostly for utility shafts, lifts, stairwells. Designed to NOT function as a chimney. No chimney effect, designed for oxygen not to flow through, so air would not travel through elevators, a hermetically sealed systems with fire shutters.

Lots of smoke, low oxygen not much fire. The fires in the lobby can not have come from a plane going into the higher floors of the building.

The building also collapsed from the top down - how could office equipment create such a slurry of smoke and dust?

He is more convincing than LooseChange

JanH · 02/01/2007 14:02

WTC7 from Wikipedia (NIST is the National Institute of Science and Technology):

The WTC complex comprised seven buildings, three of which underwent total progressive collapse on September 11, 2001. At 5:20 pm, 7 WTC, a 47-story steel-frame skyscraper across the street from the rest of the complex, became the third building to collapse.

FEMA's provisional study was inconclusive[34] and the collapse of 7 WTC was not included the final report of the NIST investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center when it was published in September of 2005. With the exception of a letter to the Journal of Metallurgy, which suggested that some of the structural steel had been exposed to temperatures sufficient to melt it,[35] no studies of the collapse of 7 WTC have been published in scientific journals.

The final report from NIST regarding the collapse of 7 WTC was due in July 2005, but its release date has been postponed.[36] NIST released a progress report in June of 2004 outlining its working hypothesis. On this hypothesis a local failure in a critical column, caused by damage from either fire or falling debris from the collapses of the two towers, progressed first vertically and then horizontally to result in "a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure".[37][38] In answer to the question of whether "a controlled demolition hypothesis is being considered to explain the collapse", NIST says that it "would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements." At this point NIST is not committed to any one hypothesis, and new hypotheses may yet emerge.[22]

JanH · 02/01/2007 14:11

So they still don't know why it fell down - they just have hypotheses - if it was a structural failure you would think they would have proved that by now.

Aloha · 02/01/2007 14:15

Yes, WHY would the government demolish the buildings with controlled explosives when they have already sent in dummy planes/holograms/whatever they are supposed to be.

I love the person discussing the 'not plane shaped' hole in the Pentagon, pointing out that life is not like a Warner Brothers cartoon in which cats make cat shaped holes in walls.
Are people seriously suggesting that the hundreds of eye witnesses that saw a plane heading towards the Pentagon were all wrong/paid off by the government/lizards from outer space?

suedonim · 02/01/2007 14:38

But, but, but, NQC....if WTC never existed what were those tall buildings I could see from the Empire State Building in August 2001? Am getting confused so I'll stop thinking about this and go shopping for fluffy kittens instead.

uwila · 02/01/2007 14:39

at Warner Bros cat shaped holes.

ludaloo · 02/01/2007 14:39

Aloha....sorry just to go back a bit...the safely landed plane...if you watch loose change it explains it there...
Flight 93 was supposed to of crashed into a field....this is the plane that the cell phone call from Mark Bingham allegedly came from. There were no actual traces of the plane Flight 93
The same day....this plane Flight 93 was reported to of landed at a secure government airfield...near to a NASA building.

Wait...I'll try and find it...

Tinker · 02/01/2007 14:41

These are the passengers that were gassed then??

BeetrootsResolution · 02/01/2007 14:44

yes gassing the passengers seems far fetched -

well it did until I looked back in history over the last 70 years!!

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Rhubarb · 02/01/2007 14:46

What a boring life it would be without conspiracy theories!

(munches on biscuits whilst reading)

uwila · 02/01/2007 14:56

Real wors from real peopl.

Flight 93

Except the one from Bush. I believe this is a misquote, as it is Clinto who said this. Bush obviously thinks there is value in sending the military to the Middle East.

ludaloo · 02/01/2007 14:58

On the morning of 9-11, for example, the Associated Press reported that United 93 made an emergency landing at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. According to the official version, however, Flight 93 crashed into a reclaimed mine near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, shortly after 10 a.m.

The AP story clearly reported that United had identified the plane that landed at Cleveland as Flight 93. Cleveland's Mayor Michael R. White reportedly said the plane had landed due to suspicion that it had a bomb aboard.

The most obvious problem with the official version that Flight 93 crashed at the site near Shanksville is that the photographs and eyewitness accounts describe a crater too small for a such a large plane to have crashed into. The crater at the reclaimed mine was less than 20 feet across and about 6 feet deep. Yet the official version claims that into this crater a Boeing 757 airliner supposedly buried itself, the passengers, the cargo, and thousands of gallons of jet fuel.

Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, said she was the first person to reach the crater. Lensbouer said that the crater was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described the sound as "an explosion, like an atomic bomb" â?" not a crash.

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller, who was one of the first people to arrive at the crash site, said it looked as if someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped trash into it. Miller said there was nothing visible of human remains and that it was as if the plane had "stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed." He said that the most eerie thing about the site was that he hadn't seen a "single drop of blood."

Miller said he was stunned at how small the crater was. "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes," Miller said, "because there were no bodies there."

Asked how Flight 93 disappeared into the crater without leaving a trace, Bob Leverknight, an active member of the Air National Guard and correspondent with Somerset's Daily American, told AFP at the newspaper's office, "It [the ground] liquefied." However, one of the massive engines, Leverknight said, inexplicably bounced off the ground and was found at a considerable distance in the woods.

A second plane, identified as Delta 1989, was also reported to have landed at the Cleveland airport due to fears of sabotage. At a news conference, Mayor White identified the plane as a Boeing 767 flying from Boston to Los Angeles. It may be more than coincidence that both of the flights that allegedly struck the World Trade Center also originated at Boston's Logan Airport.

The Akron Beacon Journal reported that the mayor had stated that 200 passengers had been released from the plane at 11:15 a.m. The airport in Cleveland had been evacuated at 10 a.m. "Airline passengers and crew members were walking onto the highway to find their rides as no cars were allowed into the passenger drop off and pick up areas," the Journal reported.

The following day, Sept. 12, the Journal reported that an eyewitness had watched the Delta plane sitting near the I-X Center, which is a facility at the southeast edge of the airfield. It also reported that 78 passengers "were taken to NASA Glenn Research Center to be interviewed by FBI agents." The NASA facility is at the extreme northwest end of the airfield.

American Free Press called the former mayor at his 45-acre alpaca ranch, Seven Pines Alpacas in Newcomerstown, Ohio, to inquire about the events at the Cleveland airport on 9-11. White, however, was unwilling to discuss anything and cut the conversation short saying, "I'm out of the interview business."

ludaloo · 02/01/2007 15:01

Um....I'm not sure about gassing people...I do think it would be very hard to silence 200 people though...

It is really hard to get your head around but you just can't ignore these claims surely??

JanH · 02/01/2007 15:01

One of those cell phone calls lasted 13 minutes? From a plane at what height and speed?

Aloha · 02/01/2007 15:01

"allegedly" hit the towers?

Papillon · 02/01/2007 15:02

America has also the best UFO incident... Roswell - now a TV show

uwila · 02/01/2007 15:03

The towers that allegedly existed in the first place.

uwila · 02/01/2007 15:04

Ok,Papillon, now that one IS alleged.

Aloha · 02/01/2007 15:04

Claims that Flight 93 never crashed
Some conspiracy theorists speculate that Flight 93 landed safely in Ohio. The website Physics911 says that the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was actually not United 93 and that the flights involved in the 9/11 attacks were landed and substituted with other aircraft.[121] However other websites refute this claim[122]and point to the wreckage at the scene and witness testimony,[123] aside from the difficulty of "plane swapping". Often cited is a preliminary AP story on Flight 93?s safe landing at a Cleveland airport by WCPO, a local Cincinnati ABC news affiliate.[124] It was later learned Delta Flight 1989 was the plane confused with Flight 93. WCPO has since retracted the story noting its earlier factual inaccuracies..[125]

[edit] Claims that cell phone calls were impossible
During the flight of Flight 93 passengers made a number of calls to both family and emergency personnel. It is argued by some that connecting a cell phone to a tower's signal would have been near to impossible from the air. Based on this information, economist Michel Chossudovsky suggests the calls were fabricated or never made at all.[126]

In 2003 a Canadian team conducted experiments to determine if cell phones could be used from civilian aircraft flying at cruising speeds and altitudes.[127]
Carnegie Mellon researchers published results of a study in which they monitored spectrum frequencies generated by cell phone use during commercial passenger flights. They concluded that one to four cell phone calls are made during each average passenger flight, contrary to FCC and FAA regulations.[128] The study makes no mention of the length of the calls or whether a successful air-ground connection was actually made during the monitored transmissions.
According to official accounts, at 9:58 a.m.,[129] moments before Flight 93 crashed, Edward Felt dialed 9-1-1 from his cell phone from the lavatory of the aircraft and his call was answered by dispatcher John Shaw. Felt was able to tell the dispatcher about the hijacking before the call was out of range and subsequently disconnected.[130] At the time of the call, the aircraft had descended to 5,000 feet, over Westmoreland County,[131] which together with Somerset County has the highest summits in Pennsylvania, at ~3,000 feet in elevation.[132]
Aside from Ed Felt's call, and another made by flight attendant CeeCee Lyles also at 9:58 a.m, all the other calls were made with onboard airphones and not cell phones.

Aloha · 02/01/2007 15:09

More on the IMO not very mysterious Flight 93 here including the retraction of the stuff about the other plane.

Aloha · 02/01/2007 15:11

There was wreckage all right! (btw I loe the idea that a waitress would be an expert on what a plane crash should sound like!

here - the mayor's comment, but in context

ludaloo · 02/01/2007 15:17

Only recently have they developed the technology to enable cell phones to work at that altitude...

ludaloo · 02/01/2007 15:18

The coroner at the scene of flight 93 actually said after being at the site for 20 mins he was no longer a coroner...as there were no bodies.

JanH · 02/01/2007 15:20

Scroll down this page and see the impression of a 757 about to hit the Pentagon, and then the picture of the damage shortly afterwards.

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