Page 8 | They have executed Saddam Hussein

mummydear · 2006-12-30T09:06:05+00:00

He's dead here Now lets see what happens .

mufti · 30/12/2006 22:28

the cia link was news to me, although dh did know , (a guardian reader) , there must be so much the general public doesnt know.

themoon66 · 30/12/2006 22:28

lazyanna... i wondered about the hanging too.... I thought it would be beheading in an arabic country.

Aloha · 30/12/2006 22:32

Hello Sophable - it's distracting me from my dad's funeral next week. I have more people to call and I just can't bear it, frankly.
And I just cannot bear Bush. Tony Benn refered quite casually to 'his father, Lucifer' on the radio the other day, and I whooped with laughter.

hatwoman · 30/12/2006 22:33

don't read too much into links with teh Bin Laden family. the bin ladens are a huge saudi arabian family with enormous business interests mainly in teh construction industry. they were estranged from osama years ago when he was first kicked out of saudi arabia and went to east africa. (think that was in the early-mid 90s iirc)

hatwoman · 30/12/2006 22:35

good post scummy

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 30/12/2006 22:57

What Saddam did was horrific. And a lot of it he did himself ? he liked to keep his hand in and enjoyed a bit of torture from time to time. And he liked to watch. I cannot believe that there are people on here who find it sad that he has been executed, and that think of him as ?an old man?.

I think it?s easy to sit in the west and say that capital punishment is wrong, especially in a country where capital punishment doesn?t exist, but reality is that in the middle east, capital punishment is very real. You kill someone, you are executed, and it?s not like in the states where you sit on death row for 15 years and then are executed, if you?re found guilty on Monday you?re dead by Friday. If Saddam hussein had not been executed, he would, in the eyes of many, be seen to have escaped justice, because life in prison does not exist for such crimes where he came from.

I do not think he should have been tried by an international court. One only need look at the milosovicz trial which carried on for years and years and years and which never came to a conclusion because he died, and the trials of the other Bosnians in the Haig, to see that trials in an international court rarely lead to actual justice. It was important that Saddam be tried by his own people, in his own country, and that his people be the ones who carried out the sentencing.

I also think that by locking him up in prison for the rest of his life would only have meant he could sit there and continue to issue statements to his ?supporters? and the rest of the world on a regular basis. Now that he is dead, he no longer has a voice.

I also wonder about those who feel he has escaped justice. Surely for those devout muslems, they must believe that he will be held to account for what he did by a higher authority now that he is dead, and that his justice will be eternal now.

I also think it is somewhat fitting that he be executed on the first day of Ied, as someone pointed out on r5 earlier, it is customary on Ied for people to return home and offer a lamb for slaughter. I find that somewhat appropriate actually.

expatinscotland · 30/12/2006 23:04

OMG!

I had NO idea!

I just turned on the TV/PC!

Hadn't done so till now.

goodnewsatlast · 30/12/2006 23:13

He was EVIL.
He committed some of the most EVIL acts of our time.
He DESERVED to die.
ANYONE crying over the death of such scum is mad.
I am glad his dead.

HAPPY NEW YEAR.

maryhadaharpsichordyeahlord · 30/12/2006 23:16

well summed up by scummy.
has anyone seen that utterly vile creature Galloway yet? I daren't turn on the tv in case I see his revolting weaselly little face and hear him justifying the late Mr Hussein's actions. I am not sure I could bear it.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 30/12/2006 23:55

Lovely, gnal.

Heathcliffscathy · 30/12/2006 23:59

goodnews you just make me laugh.

could you define evil for me?

does it involve cold blooded killing?

then the hanging was too wasn't it?

DeepPann007 · 31/12/2006 01:32

Tony Benn. Right, right and right again. On just about everything, including this, and thanks for Aloha reminding me of it!!

Really good to know of sooo many people expressing their opinion against Cap Pun. and the utter pointlessness of this execution. Am anti-death penalty for, emotional/moral reasons as well as 'objective' ones. Seeing the coverage was shocking still.

Bush and Blair as bad as Saddam? Well, it is fair to say that they do get "nasty dictators" to do their dirty work for them. Leaves them just as culpable.

kiskidee · 31/12/2006 01:40

sharing this online newsletter with ya'll again. it is funded soley by donation and subscription. hence no bullshit from the normal rags who have to pay the piper somehow.
here

DeepPann007 · 31/12/2006 01:44

thank you. All to true.

Are you familiar with theonion.com?

kiskidee · 31/12/2006 01:53

yes but not read it lately.

Monkeytrousers · 31/12/2006 09:10

The actual excecution was filmed on a mobile phone and is now doing the rounds on the internet.

winnie · 31/12/2006 09:39

Monkeytrousers, this news this morning has only added to my disgust. The fact that someone videoed it on a mobile phone and it's on the internet makes my blood run cold. Killing SH has achieved nothing. I have always been opposed to capital punishment and this simply underlines my reasons.

whatwouldjesusdo · 31/12/2006 09:57

sadly there is no disgust emoticon

ballbaby · 31/12/2006 10:01

Bush I think is a psychopath with no conscience. For him it's only ever been about oil and his cronies.

Blair I think was a restraining influence on Bush in the beginning. But 9/11 was such an horrific and earth-shattering event that something had to be done - and possibly what was needed was to try to rid the world of the extremists. Places like Afghanistan and Iraq are seen as a breeding ground for these extremists.

He tried desperately to get the UN to join together about the WMD (why do the UN make resolutions and nothing is enforced?). I don't think Blair ever wanted to go in with Bush but was forced into it by events. Nothing's gone to plan. I am sure he regrets the death and suffering that has been caused.

Aviatrix · 31/12/2006 10:49

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uwila · 31/12/2006 11:03

The world is a better place with Sadaam removed from it. He was a horrible creature. Too horrible for any words I know. Death was an appropriate punishment. It is also fair to say that it not the place of the west to determine the laws of the middle east, and the death penalty is alive and well there. People suffer is for much less than the atrocities for which Sadaam was responsible.

I support the deathpenalty for people like saddaam -- and some other nasty pieces of work like Ian Huntley, or that British man who shot his wife and baby daughter while they slept in the states (can't remember his name).

Aloha, While a very much disagree with your views on this thread, I am delighted to see you back.

ballbaby · 31/12/2006 11:08

Blair is a politician. He has made a mistake and would be seen as weak to admit it. And it would be horrendous to admit this for the suffering families who have lost loved ones who have fought over there.

For those families please god let there be something good that comes out in of all of this in the end.

Catalepticdru · 31/12/2006 11:16

One of the things that galls me is that Saddam Hussein has never expressed any kind of remorse for the atrocities he committed. As far as he was concerned he had committed no crime.
From this point of view I guess his ultimate fate never really mattered. I reckon if he had been sentenced to life in prison I doubt he would have changed his attitude. May be if he'd been house with a bunch of Shia millitants...

I guess the only thing to do is hope that the backlashes will be minimal (fat chance) and that the people of Iraq can move onto a peaceful rule and that B&B get themselves out.

Where B&B went wrong is that they didn't dipose SH back in 1992 when he invaded Kuwait - they had a golden opportunity then and blew big style. Since then, hundreds of thousands of people have died needlessly. If only we had a time machine...

RubberDuckWithCranberrySauce · 31/12/2006 11:24

"Where B&B went wrong is that they didn't dipose SH back in 1992 when he invaded Kuwait"

Erm... you can hardly blame THAT Bush and Blair for that. Neither were in power at the time.

Bush Snr was though, and I do agree that they should have acted then rather than concocted a reason to go in the second time.

melsy · 31/12/2006 11:29

Just too much too read here now this morning. I really cant look at anyone dead wrapped in sheets, its just too much to bare whoever the person. Im just not good at stomaching these things as others may.

I totally agree with others sentiments here. That Saddam Hussein has got off far to lightly really. He should have been left for the rest of his life to sit in a barren room with little contact and stew for his atrocities.

Im going to be annoyingly on the fence about the death penalty though, on the one hand what gives a human the right over life or death of another human ,it just doesnt sit well within me. Obviously the death penalty is used to destroy a human who has chosen to extinguish another persons life or has made another suffer an awful living nightmare. IYKWIM. To me it is far worse is it not to have a TRUE life sentence in some god awful place and be reminded daily of what you have done, than be almost relieved of it. It all depends also on wether we believe in heaven or hell, do coud death not be so pleasant for the evil after all ???