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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 14/02/2016 16:48

Absolutely, Want2bSupermum.

Trump plays hardball. he has tremendous courage which has been shown time and time again by the way he has withstood the media and Establishment barrage and "stiffs" like Bush who want to stop him. No one owns Trump, he is self-funding and he is going to fix America and fix it fast.

New York has some of the best deal makers, negotiators and business people on the planet. Trump is going to energise the whole country, put people back to work again and "make America great again" and the whole world will have to fall in line and fast.

Want2bSupermum, you are in New York and it is going to be boomtime there and rightly so and about time when Trump gets rid of the "losers" who have presided over America's unnecessary decline.

var123 · 14/02/2016 16:49

claig - have you listened to (a couple of his rallies. He speaks in short sound bites. There is nothing of substance. No real plans at all. Admittedly, the crowd's keep whooping and that gives the illusion that he has said something worth hearing rather than just a very top level mission statement.

Apparently, he isn't mucking about, or so you say! i suspect that even he doesn't believe his pronouncements the way that you do.

Other countries will be obliged to take the US's products. So Europe's roads will soon be flooded with Cadillacs and Chevrolets and the Asian and European manufacturers may as well close down now?

var123 · 14/02/2016 16:51

did you answer the but about congress committing mass suicide?

Want2bSupermum · 14/02/2016 16:53

Actually it's pre bust time. The financial markets are in turmoil. Everyone can see the writing on the wall and there is no plan in place or funds available to bail anyone out. Credit Suisse have already publicized their losses and there are going to be plenty more to come.

What people did see and like is that Trump stood up for Carson after Cruz published a pamphlet saying Carson was pulling out. Trump again showed himself to be a gentleman at the debate in New Hampshire when Carson didn't hear his introduction. I think it was Jeb Bush who walked by and took care of himself, leaving Trump and Carson standing there.

claig · 14/02/2016 16:56

'There is nothing of substance. No real plans at all'

He doesn't ned to. He is not a policy wonk. this is not Oxbridge and Tony Blair. Everybody knows Trump will get it done. He will hire the best people America has got, no "losers", no "stiffs", no Establishment cronies in the pockets of donors, he will transform America.

"rather than just a very top level mission statement."

That is all that is necessary. It is called leadership. He will hire the best wonks in America to do what he wants done and he will get it done or he will say "you're fired".

'So Europe's roads will soon be flooded with Cadillacs and Chevrolets and the Asian and European manufacturers may as well close down now?'

Europe better wise up and get on board the Trump train and not spout anymore political correctness or they will be left out in the cold. A Trump victory will topple useless politically correct Establishment elites in Europe and the Trump capitalist business job-creating revolution will spread across the European countries that follow America's lead.

claig · 14/02/2016 16:57

'did you answer the but about congress committing mass suicide?'

Yes as he said in last night's debate, he will get everyone ina room and cajole and negotiate the way things are supposed to happen unlike the way Obama does it with executive orders because he is unable to convince anyone to go along with him.

GruntledOne · 14/02/2016 17:00

Very easy. He will tell Mexico to do it. If they don't like it, he will hit them with tariffs for their goods coming over the border. Since there is a huge trade deficit between the US and Mexico in Mexico's favour, mexico will pay for it.

He wouldn't do that, because he knows full well that he would be opening the door for a number of countries the US doesn't like to go in to help Mexico.

claig · 14/02/2016 17:00

'Actually it's pre bust time'

Absolutely which is why some of the banking elite factions want world war to save themselves. But it won't happen because Trump is going to win and get along with Putin and like you rightly said other countries are going to be told to slash the US trade deficit.

America will be a winner under Trump. Some other countries and some factions are going to be losers.

GruntledOne · 14/02/2016 17:03

Trump will use his legendary deal-making skills to get Congress's approval.

You mean, he hopes he will. But the truth is that Congress is full of people who will never make a deal with him. What then?

claig · 14/02/2016 17:04

'He wouldn't do that, because he knows full well that he would be opening the door for a number of countries the US doesn't like to go in to help Mexico.'

He would because the companies that are providing a lot of jobs in Amexico are American ones that have moved to Mexico. They will have to move back to America to avoid tariffs. Mexico and every other country will have to negotiate new trade deals with Trump's team "some of whom are not very nice people".

Trump is against the TPP trade deal. he is a nativist, America First, not a globalist. He works for the American people, not the global banks.

claig · 14/02/2016 17:07

'But the truth is that Congress is full of people who will never make a deal with him. What then?'

Both houses are controlled by the Republicans at the moment and under Trump there will be no more Republican capitulations over Obamacare or global warming EPA regulations or anything else.

However, yesterday it was announced that Supreme Court Judge Antonin Scalia died and that is an earthquake because it is thought that Obama will try to put a left wing judge in to replace him.

There is a huge battle for power in America, but I think Trump will win and fix America.

var123 · 14/02/2016 17:08

To get somewhere, anywhere, you need a path along which you will travel. Trump does not own a teleporting machine.
So, he can decide that he'd like to improve the healthcare system, but then they'd all like to improve the healthcare system. Its just empty words until you describe a method of actually doing so.

Anyway, if you've got this right claig, and you genuinely are expressing the depths of his thinking complete with name calling and apparently not knowing how to achieve anything that requires soemthing other than sheer bullying, then as others have said its never going to happen because although a lot of people may be stupid, there are very few who are that stupid (or desperate).

claig · 14/02/2016 17:20

'So, he can decide that he'd like to improve the healthcare system, but then they'd all like to improve the healthcare system.'

Gordon Brown! Have you not listened to any of Trump's rally sppeeches attended by thousands upon thousands of Trumpites some of whom queued 8 hours to get a front row standing place?

The others don't ant to improve the healthcare system because they are politician "all talk no action" in the pockets of the drug companies and there is no competitve tendering and hardball negotiating for drug prices etc because the drug companies are paying the useless puppets. Trump is going to implement new pricing deals and he said they will be 10% lower than the lowest price anywhere in the world and the price savings will be in the region of $300 billion a year. He is not mucking about. It's Trump 2016!

'Its just empty words until you describe a method of actually doing so.'

Empty words is not in Trump's lexicon. Its Trump 2016!

'its never going to happen because although a lot of people may be stupid, there are very few who are that stupid (or desperate).'

Don't believe the Tim Stanley's of the Daily Telegraph and the Establishment and Establishment media pundits, just look at the size of Trump's rallies to know that as Trump says "this is a movement" and it is going to change America and then the entire world. Why do you think the world's political classes are in such a panic over Trump 2016?

GruntledOne · 14/02/2016 17:20

claig, if Trump makes it difficult for Mexico to trade with the US, he will be leaving a vacuum into which a number of other countries will be delighted to move, particularly given Mexico's proximity to the US. If he is going to ignore that danger, he's even more of a fool than he appears to be.

GruntledOne · 14/02/2016 17:23

claig, why do you obsess about Blair and Brown in relation to Trump? Your continual harping back to people who have been out of power for years strongly suggests that you know that more up to date comparisons would work in his disfavour.

var123 · 14/02/2016 17:24

claig - I haven't been a labour party supporter ever (and don't bother fishign around in the left of labour either). Your prejudices about who you are talking to are getting in the way of you makign valid points.

However, no, I have never listened to a Gordon Brown speech in my life, apart from the one he did last year on the eve of the Scottish referendum (when i thought he was an impressive orator btw).

claig · 14/02/2016 17:25

' he will be leaving a vacuum into which a number of other countries will be delighted to move'

There is no vacuum because there is a worldwide low growth environment where no one has any money. America is still the world's richest and largest consumer market and if the trade tap to America is shut off, then other countries will be in big trouble. America is losing money hand over fist to Mexico, China, Japan, South Korea and Trump say "now Vietnam, that's the new one" and Trumps says "won't happen anymore" and the Trump rallies erupt with cheers of Trump Trump! Trump! USA! USA! USA!

He really is not mucking about.

var123 · 14/02/2016 17:27

and unlike you, the thoughts expressed are my own! If I heard them elsewhere, i state the source.

So, I don't recognise those things you list as an insult (I think) because I never read them, although it is interesting to hear I may share the views of someone who is paid as a columnist / political pundit. Maybe I'll apply for a job!

var123 · 14/02/2016 17:28

Is "not mucking around" a Trump campaign slogan or something, or do you only know one way of expressing the idea??

claig · 14/02/2016 17:29

'claig, why do you obsess about Blair and Brown in relation to Trump?'

Because I don't like them and what they represent. I am sick of "losers" just like Trump is and I want the UK to win as well.

'I haven't been a labour party supporter ever '
Well done.

'I have never listened to a Gordon Brown speech in my life'

I know what you mean, I started listening to one, but didn't make it to the end, I fell asleep.

claig · 14/02/2016 17:30

'"not mucking around"'

That's mine. I don't know if Americans use the word "mucking" in that sense, it may be more of an English expression.

var123 · 14/02/2016 18:13

I am sick of "losers" just like Trump is

Did you really mean to say this? That you think Trump is a "loser"?

claig · 14/02/2016 18:18

Absolutely not! I think I may have to ask for that to be deleted for breaking Talk Guidelines for inadvertently criticising Trump.

GruntledOne · 14/02/2016 21:59

claig, the fact that you don't like Blair and Brown isn't really an answer to the question why you obsess about them. They've both been out of power and won't get back in, so it's utterly pointless in relation to Trump or anything else. You might as well go on and on about Hitler, I assume you don't like him either.

claig · 14/02/2016 22:40

'the fact that you don't like Blair and Brown isn't really an answer to the question why you obsess about them'

Because i think they are funny, just like Hillary Benn is funny because I think they are a joke. So when I saw "Gordon Brown!" in the place of "Gordon Bennett!" it is because I think that Gordon Brown is even more funny and ridiculous than Gordon Bennett.

'You might as well go on and on about Hitler, I assume you don't like him either.'

I don't like him and I don't think he is funny.

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