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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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var123 · 26/02/2016 18:26

I think you might be able to quote verbatim what Trump says but all your following of the news doesn't really provide you with the analytical skills to assess what Trump says for quality of argument.

For example, if Trump said that cobalt is yellow and you heard him, you would be able to argue, with some authority, that he said it, but it wouldn't make you an expert on the true colour of cobalt.

Interestingly, it turns out he's right about corporate tax: it is 40% in the US which is higher than most. home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/tax-rates-online/corporate-tax-rates-table.html

I always thought American taxes were generally low, but obviously this is at least one exception.

claig · 26/02/2016 18:30

Stone explained how Mexico will end up paying for the wall. I never saw that one coming.

claig · 26/02/2016 18:35

'but all your following of the news doesn't really provide you with the analytical skills to assess what Trump says for quality of argument.'

I will let Hillary try to assess that. I am a Trump supporter because I think what he says on the whole makes sense and I believe that he will easily beat Hillary in a ine0to-one contest because he is going to tell the American such truths that she will not be able to get throught that. I am just saying what he says because the mainstream media tries to obfuscate what he is really all about.

'I always thought American taxes were generally low, but obviously this is at least one exception.'

I agree. I thought the same untik I listened to Trump. I understand enough about politics to understand what is happening in general (not in detail) and I understand why Trump is such a huge threat to the Establishment and why the Economist, the Financial Times, Davos and all the rest don't want him.

var123 · 26/02/2016 18:43

" and I understand why... the Economist, the Financial Times, Davos and all the rest don't want him."

You think you understand but inadvertently I suspect your posts have revealed the real reason.

For me it comes down to would I want to let Trump anywhere near the nuclear button? The short answer is no! I wouldn't really be comfortable with anyone having that sort of power, but I feel I can just about trust most of them to not even consider pressing it, whereas I imagine Trump backing himself into a corner and not being able to stand the defeat. He's too hot headed IMO to be trusted.

claig · 26/02/2016 18:55

'I suspect your posts have revealed the real reason'

The real reason is financial. Trump intends to take America back, he is ending globalism, he is ending the climate change treaties, he is ending the financial merry-go-round.

Their tactic is to call him a racist.

There will be no WWIII under Trump. If you listened to his debates you would have seen that he was against the Iraq War and thinks he could get on well with Putin, while Establishment Kasich said "we should punch the Russians on the nose" and Christie said he would shoot down a Russian plane in a no-fly zone.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 20:16

If Trump does become president, could we (well, people in the US) start campaigning for Gates for President? Preferably Melinda. Grin

Mistigri · 26/02/2016 21:06

His odds are certainly shortening (for the nomination not the presidency).

The Christie thing is interesting though. Will the fat, corrupt, Obama-hugging guy be a millstone or an asset with the republican base? I have absolutely no idea.

It certainly supports the view that Trump is not a true "conservative", as Christie represents the relaritively socially liberal, business-and-backhander friendly East Coast version of republicanism.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/02/2016 21:08

Gates for Prez ? Great idea !
US release 2.0 coming in Jan 2021. Bugfix 2.01 in Feb. Still much better than any other candidate

wiltingfast · 26/02/2016 21:08

Gosh, did they not find a clip of him telling Howard stern in 2002 that he guessed he supported the war?

Lweji · 26/02/2016 21:10

Not sure what you mean by evidence of him saying things in total contradiction to what he says now.

He was not a politician then, and wasn't after what could get him the most votes, plus didn't had the benefit of hindsight. Not fair on him.

wiltingfast · 26/02/2016 21:11

What I find really weird is his supporters are so incredibly forgiving of the bile that pours from his mouth. I bet if they had a guest in their home talking like that, they'd kick em out. But not Trump. Every excuse is made and the insane party rolls on.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 21:12

Gates wouldn't even have to tweet.

He'd simply put his campaign as default on Windows 100.

claig · 26/02/2016 21:23

Mistigri, you are right about Christie being more liberal. But he is a great guy and will appeal to the more liberal voters. Since Trump is in charge, Christie won't have too much influence but he is an excellent fighter and legal mind to have on your side.

Trump said yesterday in the debate "we are creating a new Republican Party", one which will pull in more common sense conservatives and independents and some Democrats.

Stone gave out some nuggest of information about what Trump will do to make Mexico pay, how he will win the African-American vote by a huge amount, how he will possibly even sue over the Clinton Foundation etc. He said "stay tuned" we haven't seen anything yet. There are going to be huge surprises and shocks to come. Of course that all depends if Trump makes it as the nominee. Stone thinks they will try to put Romney in instead at the Convention.

'Gosh, did they not find a clip of him telling Howard stern in 2002 that he guessed he supported the war?'

Yes, he didn't know much about it at the time and he halfheartedly said "I guess so" that it was a good idea but as he himself says, he was unsure and non-commital in that reply.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/02/2016 21:30

Currently looks like Trump has a better than 50% chance of being the Republican nominee.
He's such a wild card it's difficult to judge his chances after that. Looks likely the Democratic machine will make Hilary their / Goldmann Sach's candidate. However, she is widely unpopular and Trump might bury her in scandal - voters seem to ignore his own.

His supporters seem motivated by rage at their failing prospects rather than deep study of economics, world affairs, or science.

If elected, he might be able to do some of what he has promised, but much of it seems fantasy:

After his 4 Chapter 11 bankruptcies, I'm not convinced Trump's financial acumen trumps Claig's
And Trump can build his Mexican wall, but I don't understand how he can force Mexico to pay for it.

However, he might well be able to expell non-naturalised Muslims and ban entry of any more.
The Constitution allowed internment of Japanese Americans, so if there are further terrorist incidents in the US, he could even intern naturalised Muslims
A Republican Congress wouldn't stand up for Muslims. Probably not a Democratic one either.

Trump is motivated by money and ego, not ideology. I doubt if he has any genuine principles.
However, imo the candidates more likely to blunder into major wars are those incompetent idealists who want to "fix" the ME, or the bombastic willy-wavers who claim they'll get tough with Putin (who is more likely to escalate than to back down)
Trump wouldn't care if Putin bombs the ME to rubble.
Interestingly, he is the only US politician atm who doesn't seem to care what hapoens to Israel either, so he might not pull them out of a hole - unless he sees a profit.

claig · 26/02/2016 21:31

Cruz today said "a far bigger potential scandal is the Clinton Foundation". He called it "a corrupt piggybank" and mentioned the foreign donations etc.

It sounds like Cruz is going to go after that as well. Cruz says that Trump can't go after Hillary on that because Trump donated to it. But Stone said that Trump didn't know what it was at the time and could even possibly sue himself.

claig · 26/02/2016 21:35

'Interestingly, he is the only US politician atm who doesn't seem to care what hapoens to Israel either, so he might not pull them out of a hole'

I don't think that is right. He has said that Obama has let Israel down with the Iranian deal, which in a way is true because Netanyahu opposed the Iranian deal.

Openmindedmonkey · 26/02/2016 21:36

I just love that there were 666 posts here when I saw it tonight.
Says it all, Mr Trump.

claig · 26/02/2016 21:54

Vincente Fox, the former Mexican President, used the f word for a second time saying "we are not going to pay for that f... wall" this time to Maria Bartiromo on Fox.

According to Roger Stone, Trump will make them pay for the wall and there may be indictments for money laundering of drug money etc for some highup figures.

1234Littleham · 26/02/2016 21:57

Would he emblazon The White House with large letters THE TRUMP HOUSE?

Plane - Trump Force One?

Helicopter - Ivanka One

The Beast - no need to re-name

Country retreat - Camp DONALD - in big shouty letters

Other retreat - Blair A Lot House

The First Lady - Interchangable Lady

Lweji · 26/02/2016 21:59

I think it would be THE WHITE TRUMP. Grin

1234Littleham · 26/02/2016 22:04

I like it a lot.

The White Trump comes with lots of perks including a personal hairdresser. This is why he is running for President of course. He is desperate to find a decent hairdresser.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 22:21

The problem is that most people in high office end up with very grey hair.

Not sure he has thought this through.

If he were to maintain his hair colour, people would spot something is not quite right.

1234Littleham · 26/02/2016 22:30

Yes - it could be Hair today gone tomorrow if he isn't careful.

He could play TOP TRUMPS. There really is a pack of American President cards!

I can imagine him playing Top Trumps in the Oval Office while shouting at people.

is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????
BigChocFrenzy · 26/02/2016 23:07

Claig Trump has said a few times that he would be a neutral broker wrt Israel / Palestianians, e.g. Politicoo* but also that he would be very pro-Israel - typical Trump contradiction !
He also said in December, see Attlanticc that he doubted Israel's commitment to peace.

So, I think he is not a fan, but even Trumpet Man has to tread carefully here - to be seen as not supporting Israel 100% is normally fatal to any US political ambitions.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/02/2016 23:08

Oops sorry, the App is buggering up my bolds and links atm

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