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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 26/02/2016 14:35

'How exactly does $9.5 TRILLION in tax cuts translate into any kind of good deal for America as a nation state, never mind for its citizens?'

Because it makes companies more profitable, thus allowing them to expand and it puts more money in hardworking people's pockets allowing them to spend more and increase commerce and business activity. Instead of giving the people's money to the wonks in government, he will let the people keep it to spend it as they wish.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 14:40

What if someone can't work?
What if someone has cancer?
Or can't find work at all?
What about their children?

claig · 26/02/2016 14:46

'What if someone has cancer?'

That is why Trump insists that any medical plan will respect pre-existing condtions which some of his opponents do not want to happen.

'What if someone can't work? '

If they are ill and cannot work, then they will be looked after.

'Or can't find work at all?'

They will find work because Trump said "I will be the biggest job creator in US history". Trump is ending the globalists' game, which is why Davos and the world's political class are so frightened of him, he is bringing jobs back to America and tearing up the globalists' trade deals and climate change deals.

'What about their children?'

He is scrapping Common Core education and ending America spending the most per head on education and only being number 30 in the world in terms of education results. People will have jobs again, they will have better wages, the globalists' plans will end and "Aemerica will be great again". Everybody wil do well apart from the global political class and Davos.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 14:48

then they will be looked after.

How?
With what money?

claig · 26/02/2016 14:50

'How?
With what money?'

With the increased tax take which will result due to the prosperity that will return to America when there is full employment because the globalists' plans to ship jobs abroad and to negotiate unfavourable trade and climate change deals for America is ended. Why do you think the world's political class and their Davos masters are so frightened of Trump?

Want2bSupermum · 26/02/2016 14:52

There is plenty of fat to be cut at the federal level. You have no idea how much inefficiency there is. I see it through my work. The IRS has an inflated workforce. I went out to help with an IRS audit that my client was going through. To review the work we did they had a team more than double in size. They were reviewing not doing. Reviewing always takes far less time especially when we were sat in the next room ready to answer any questions they had. It took them forever to do the work because they came at 10am and left by 4pm. We started at 9am and worked until 7pm. We also worked the whole time taking 45min for lunch.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 14:54

But full employment is not possible, not even particularly desirable in the type of society Trump wants.

And not sure how he will "negotiate" favourable terms for the US only. Commercial isolation won't mean prosperity.

Lweji · 26/02/2016 14:56

Yes, there's lots of wastage at administration level. Everywhere. But he won't be able to get rid of it. Hardly any government has done it, at least at a significant level.

claig · 26/02/2016 14:58

Here is the Economist, a mouthpiece of the global financial elites.

"Time to fire him

Donald Trump is unfit to lead a great political party
...
Mr Trump’s political persona is more flexible than that of any professional politician, which means he can take it in any direction he wants to.
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That is an appalling prospect. The things Mr Trump has said in this campaign make him unworthy of leading one of the world’s great political parties, let alone America.
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If The Economist had cast a vote in the Republican primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina or Nevada we would have supported John Kasich."

www.economist.com/news/leaders/21693579-donald-trump-unfit-lead-great-political-party-time-fire-him

They are terrified of Trump and so is Davos and the world's class of bureacucrats and administrators who jump to the global elite's tune. The Economist would have voted for politically correct Kasich, but the American people voted for Trump in record numbers.

The reason the global elite don't like Trump is because he stands up for America and the people and doesn't serve their interests.

The world has never seen anything like it. If Trump wins, the people win.

claig · 26/02/2016 15:00

'And not sure how he will "negotiate" favourable terms for the US only.'

I think you underestimate the power of America and underestimate the courage of Trump. Trump is not one of the "political class". This is a whole new ballagame which is why Davos, the Economist, the Financial Times and all the rest are terrified. They know Trump will rewrite all of the rules and the globalists' game will be up. Their climate change game is only one aspect of the end of their dreams.

claig · 26/02/2016 15:03

'Hardly any government has done it, at least at a significant level.'

Trump says the politicians are "all talk no action" and are in the pockets of the lobbyists.

Trump says at his rallies

"not gonna happen anymore"

and the Economist and Davos know he is not kidding which is why they are in panic mode.

AugustaFinkNottle · 26/02/2016 15:03

They will find work because Trump said "I will be the biggest job creator in US history".

Notably he hasn't said how. If a big business goes down leaving a thousand people redundant, you can't just magic up a thousand jobs overnight or even within a couple of months. What is he going to do about people with learning difficulties and disabilities? He can't just keep increasing tax to manufacture non-jobs just so as to be able to say he's providing employment, that's the way to economic disaster.

CoteDAzur · 26/02/2016 15:03

This thread is like watching a car crash. One poster droning on about his fantasies and conspiracy theories about "the Establishment" etc fuelled by outrageous American TV made for the most ignorant of Americans, while others point out the crazier parts of his posts and hope for a return to the real world. Which doesn't happen. I certainly hope that you are being paid for your disinformation campaign on here, claig. The alternative is that you actually believe the stuff you post, which is just too scary and sad to contemplate.

Tell me claig. Have you had even one day of formal education in Economy? I'm only asking because your belief that full employment (no less) is desirable or even possible in a capitalist economy clearly comes from a place of ignorance.

And if not, what makes you think you have any sort of competence to claim authority on this subject?

claig · 26/02/2016 15:07

'Notably he hasn't said how'

He has said how. He will slash corporatio tax to 15% which will allow US corporations to bring back the 2 to 5 trillion dollars they hold offshore and use it to invest in new plant which will create jobs. He will then rewrite all of teh trade deals so that Mexico and China and Japan etc slash their trade surpluses with America.

claig · 26/02/2016 15:09

'I'm only asking because your belief that full employment (no less) is desirable or even possible in a capitalist economy clearly comes from a place of ignorance. '

I know there is not full employment but it will very close just like it ised to be in the 1960s.

'And if not, what makes you think you have any sort of competence to claim authority on this subject?'

Because I follow the news and understand what Trump is all about and why he will win and why the Economist does not like him.

CoteDAzur · 26/02/2016 15:15

"He will slash corporatio tax to 15% which will allow US corporations to bring back the 2 to 5 trillion dollars they hold offshore"

Ignorance about economics is not a good thing. You really need to learn a bare minimum on this subject if you intend to keep talking about it.

  1. That's not called corporation tax. It's called corporate tax.
  1. To bring back dollars held offshore, a country needs to increase interest rates not slash corporate tax rates, since companies are not taxed on the dollars they hold anyway.
  1. If what you are trying to say is relocate production facilities (not "bring back dollars"): That costs a lot of money and no company is just going to close their already-built factory in Indonesia and start building another one in the US because corporate taxes are now lower.
  1. Companies produce in Asia etc because production costs are lower there, rather than corporate tax. Corporate tax doesn't necessarily matter at the production level because that is not where the money is made (i.e. if Nike has its own factory in Asia, Nike Asia can easily show no profit by selling the finished goods to Nike US near cost).
CoteDAzur · 26/02/2016 15:19

"Because I follow the news and understand what Trump is all about and why he will win and why the Economist does not like him."

Good grief. You think you are qualified to talk about economy because you follow news? Sorry but you don't seem to understand much of it at all. Unsurprisingly, because the "news" you follow is mostly garbage from the US spewed by Fox TV and Daily Mail in the UK.

Trump will probably go the way of your previous favourites UKIP and Sarah Palin but no doubt you will find something new to hijack every single MN thread about politics and economy. Sigh.

claig · 26/02/2016 15:23

I am telling you what Trump says because I follow what he says.

He will slash corporation tax which will prevent companies such as Pfizer relocating from America to Ireland where corporation tax is less. Trump says that taxes in the US are some of the highest in the world. He will end that.

There are trillions of dollars sitting offshore that are not being used for productive purposes of creating jobs and products and he intends to make the tax regime more favourable so that companies can utilise that money in Amsrica. He says he knows lots of the bosses of these companies and they tell him they want to bring the money back but they can't. He doesn't operate in a vacuum, he knows all the big donors and business figures better than the political class does.

'no company is just going to close their already-built factory in Indonesia and start building another one in the US'

He has said he will begin to consider imposing tariffs if they sell their produce in the US market so over time they will stop building factories overseas and start building them in the US.

'Companies produce in Asia etc because production costs are lower '

Yes that is why he will even it out with trade tariffs because his goal is to bring jobs back for Americans.

claig · 26/02/2016 15:27

'You think you are qualified to talk about economy because you follow news? '
I think I am qualified to talk about Trump because I follow what he says and you don't. There is no good grief about it.

'Unsurprisingly, because the "news" you follow is mostly garbage from the US spewed by Fox TV and Daily Mail in the UK. '

No, I follow what Trump actually says.

'Trump will probably go the way of your previous favourites UKIP and Sarah Palin but no doubt you will find something new to hijack every single MN thread about politics and economy. Sigh.'

This is a thread about Trump. As you don't like Trump, why don't you go and start a thread about your knowledge of finance and see if anyone is interested in that?

claig · 26/02/2016 15:50

Trump is even leading the polls in liberal Massachussets.

"Donald Trump is poised to romp across the South on Super Tuesday, cementing a hold on the Republican presidential nomination. But it's little-watched and deeply liberal Massachusetts that's sending shivers down Democrats’ spines.

Massachusetts, they fear, is where Trump could chart a course to the White House.
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But operatives on both sides of the aisle are already writing off the state’s primary as a runaway win for Trump. They note that he packed the 7,800-seat Tsongas Arena (named for U.S. Sen. Paul Tsongas, a Democrat) in Lowell last month.

The Boston Globe, which endorsed Kasich ahead of New Hampshire's Feb. 9 primary, issued a desperate plea for independent Massachusetts voters to "stop Donald Trump" in a Monday editorial."

www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-massachusetts-219804

Incredible appeal.

wiltingfast · 26/02/2016 17:24

*'How exactly does $9.5 TRILLION in tax cuts translate into any kind of good deal for America as a nation state, never mind for its citizens?'

Because it makes companies more profitable, thus allowing them to expand and it puts more money in hardworking people's pockets allowing them to spend more and increase commerce and business activity. Instead of giving the people's money to the wonks in government, he will let the people keep it to spend it as they wish.*

Oh yes, because the so called trickle down effect has worked SO WELL to date, I wonder why wages are stagnant for decades and American employment has been so hollowed out; oh yes, that would be the exporting of jobs to Asia etc in their pursuit of ever bigger profits, not to mention the obscene levels they go to to in pursuit of avoiding paying any legitimate taxes in the countries where they reap their profits.

Are they the companies you are talking about that will kindly put more money into hardworking people's pockets???

Because they care?

Hmm
claig · 26/02/2016 17:53

Breaking news at Trump's Fort Worth Dallas Texas rally.

Chris Christie endorses Donald Trump.

Christie is an excellent fighter and battler.

Trump 2016!

claig · 26/02/2016 17:58

wiltingfast, you are right that these companies have been swinging the lead taking jobs abroad to make use of cheaper labour etc.

But that is coming to an end. Trump will change it.

'not to mention the obscene levels they go to to in pursuit of avoiding paying any legitimate taxes in the countries where they reap their profits'

Yes, but that is why nearly all of the Republican candidates are going to slash taxes and some want a flat tax where all exemptions are scrapped and compaies will have to pay the lower rates.

The companies are not bad, they just make use of teh laws and loopholes in the regions where they operate. If they want to operate in the US under Trump they will have to play by a set of different rules.

claig · 26/02/2016 18:01

Chris Christie is a very big figure, very competent. It is a huge win for Trump to gain Christie's endoresement.

The worldwide elite are in big trouble. America is being taken back.

claig · 26/02/2016 18:17

Roger Stone, former Trump advisor, on the Alex Jones Show now for 90 minutes. Doesn't mince his words, breaks it down and explains why "they are wetting their pants" over Trump.

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