Cologne Sexual Assaults IX and David Davies Web Chat

[LumelaMme]

On New Year's Eve women in Cologne were amongst those who were sexually assaulted and robbed in mass attacks.
This is a link to the last thread which has links to all the others.

Some of us have begun a petition asking the government to uphold women's rights and freedoms:

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We also hope that tomorrow, Monday 8th February, David TC Davies MP will be on MN for a web chat between 1pm and 2pm - it should be a sticky on either Chat or In The News. David was one of the few MPs who has shown any interest in this whole issue and who has responded sympathetically to those of us concerned about women's rights in a changing world.

PuzzledandPissedoff ..... On Thread 8 I mentioned that all reports that are negative to Merkel (the consequences of what she allowed to occur) have to be run by her office first. I do not know if it is true or not, but I read it somewhere. I wouldnt be surprised if there was a temporary shutdown on reports such as child rape; afterall, there was a 3 day delay with the Cologne attacks reaching the ears of us in the UK.

And don't forget, she met with Zuckerberg in September and asked him to see whether he could devise a way of having so-called xenophobic comments in relation to the migrant saga deleted from Facebook Germany, as well as any criticism of the Merkel govt.

sounds good lumela.

Britt social media censorship in action in Germany

I get the point about protecting the lad, Shabby, but they can easily do that by not releasing his name - after all, it's done all the time where minors are concerned

Britt it's also true that the Cologne attacks weren't reported straight away, but at least that was just three days rather than over two months. Perhaps it was easier to keep one attack under wraps than many ... ?

As an aside, the sooner we get out of the EU the better as far as I am concerned . If I was a little unsure before I am certainly not now. This once great nation is forced to take a begging bowl to fifth rate unelected bureaucrats . Meanwhile Merkal is busy turning her country into a third world refugee camp, where is seems anarchy is prevailing. Terrifying.

Yes, but if we left the EU would the french still hold back illegal migrants at Calais?

Might be an idea to move the webchat as power cuts are expected due to yet another bloody storm.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-35517732

Guerney's chief minister has been forced by public pressure to apologise for what he said about Guernsey being too islamophobic to take refugees.

Re: Japan

The claims about Japan/Islam are largely urban legends.

There aren't very many Muslims in Japan because the numbers of ethnic minorities are lower than most countries and most minorities are of Chinese, Brazilian, Philippine etc. heritage.

However, Muslims can get PR and Japanese citizenship here. No rules against this, nor are there any rules against propagating Islam, importing Qurans or anything else, really. And Japan is recently working to boost its tourism trade, so in fact there has actually been some official sponsorship of welcoming Muslim visitors and encouraging restaurants to develop halal options for Muslims visitors, developing advice services so that Muslims tourists can find a local mosque and so on.

And as for universities.... recently, an extremist preacher Dr Zakir Naik gave a lecture at Tokyo University (during which the audience was segregated by gender--even though this is against the law for a Japanese public university). No particular reaction to any of this. Nor are there any restrictions on Islam at Japanese universities in general.

Japan has experienced a significant increase in asylum seekers in recent years, very many of whom are Muslim (however, the absolute numbers are still fairly small by European standards). Japan grants residency rights to very very few of these. However, the majority who are rejected do not actually leave Japan, but tend to give the authorities the slip and go underground, working in the gray economy, gravitating around particular areas like Ota in Gunma Prefecture. Subaru and other Japanese companies in cities facing labor shortages hire some of them--via labor brokers, so that they are not technically breaking the law. Most of these ASs are no doubt harmless enough, although there have been some worrying hints of extremism in some of these pockets.

I doubt that Japan will start to accept larger numbers of asylum seekers, as they had a rather dodgy experience last time they tried doing this, back in the late 1980s/early 1990s with Iranian refugees.

'Yes, but if we left the EU would the french still hold back illegal migrants at Calais?'

Carlajean - yes good point. The French wouldn't be obliged to. How would the UK handle that situation?

*'Yes, but if we left the EU would the french still hold back illegal migrants at Calais?'

Carlajean - yes good point. The French wouldn't be obliged to. How would the UK handle that situation?*

The agreements in question aren't part of EU law, they form part of trilateral government agreements and treaties between the UK, France and Belgium, so a Brexit wouldn't automatically result in the border moving to Dover.

In practice though, given that a Brexit would unleash a political reaction, and given that there is already considerable political and popular support in France for moving the border back to Dover, my own view is that border agreements could well be an early casualty of a Brexit.

Prior to the border agreements, Eurostar was a favourite route into the UK for asylum seekers, with several thousand people a year claiming asylum in Waterloo (where the terminal was then located). That would clear the Calais camp pretty quickly ...

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carlajean ...... if we left the EU would the french still hold back illegal migrants at Calais?

It would then be a straightforward business arrangement, a deal done between the French and UK govts. If we do leave the EU, then the raison d'etre for The Jungle is no more, because in future the only way to apply for asylum in Britain would be from a person's first point of contact with Europe - which is not France. However, for those already in Calais arrangements would be made for their applications to be processed in France at the British Embassy. For transporting people to the nearest British Embassy and back, the French would receive an agreed fee. If we were "out" we could rewrite eligibility criteria to some degree, i.e. applications from those with ID papers and families will be given priority, for example.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12145781/David-Cameron-warns-of-migrant-camps-in-southern-England-if-Brexit-vote.html

January Thanks for the link to Breitbart reporting social media censorship in Germany started by the Merkel govt.
So, ladies, I think my take on what is happening may not be as outlandish as has been stated. Mix us all up into a One World Govt. Just think, what leader of a country would allow unchecked, unverified people to enter en masse knowing that it would stretch police and security services to the limit? Answer: no leader would, unless of course borders, ID and the prevailing culture of a host nation were not going to be relevant in the next 50 years. Reconstruction always begins somewhere .....

Britt I don't really understand why people bother posting stuff that's so obviously ill informed.

A Brexit would not change the UK's obligations under the Geneva Convention, so it would remain responsible for refugees arriving in the UK and claiming asylum whether that person arrives by air (at present this is the most common route into the UK for those claiming asylum) or by ferry or Eurostar (assuming that in a post Brexit world, the French refuse to police the UK border in Calais). Prior to the tripartite border agreement, many refugees claimed asylum on arrival in the UK by Eurostar. Plainly they had passed through at least one european country on their way, but in the absence of proof and a second country willing to take them back, you have nowhere to send them.

What might change is Britain's responsibility to any refugee who has previously been processed in a european state. It's not clear to me whether the Dublin regulations would continue to apply post-Brexit.

MoreShabby I think this is the Lawson site
www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_control

I take the point about migrant camps appearing in southern England. I worked in business world and what appeared to be impossible at the beginning, never was. Everything is negotiable if our Govt so wishes it. The downside that I foresee is that boats may try to cross the Channel to our shores. Apart from hiring more border patrol (and creating jobs at the same time!) I believe the only way is to convey a strong message and act upon it ....... anyone attempting to land will be returned. Everyone must apply for asylum to the UK when first arriving in Europe.

This is what Australia did: www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/could-australia-stop-the-boats-policy-solve-europe-migrant-crisis

"Three core points: turning or towing back boats of asylum seekers at sea; forcing asylum seekers to live in detention centres across the Pacific in Nauru and Papua New Guinea; and guaranteeing they will never be resettled in Australia."

But UK does not have islands where we could house migrants in the same way as Oz did. There is no reason why applying for asylum cannot be conducted in a procedural, well-ordered way.

everyone must apply for asylum to the UK when first arriving in Europe

This is not how it works now, and is even more unlikely to be how it works if there is a Brexit.

Have you ever heard of the Dublin regulations? Do you have an opinion on whether they will continue to apply post Brexit?

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Cameron has stated today that if we vote to leave then France cannot be responsible for holding back migrants in Calais. Another scare tactic no doubt.

'Cameron has stated today that if we vote to leave then France cannot be responsible for holding back migrants in Calais. Another scare tactic no doubt.'

Chipstick - yes you're right. Sounds like a scare tactic to me too!

Mistigri Don't get snotty with me. No one knows whether the Dublin regs will continue after Brexit..

I know of two Ukrainians who flew into Dublin. For whatever reason their papers were not checked. They travelled to London and remained here for 4 yrs working illegally until one of them got a knock on the door from the Home Office because at some stage she had registered with an agency briefly. She is a self-supporting, hard working woman who never claimed a penny from the State. She was detained for a fortnight in Yarl's Wood but the brief got her released. There are plenty of non-EU who bypass Dublin regs. Have you heard of renegotiation? Nothing is set in stone forever.

He's using it as a scare tactic for sure, but there is a significant risk that he is right for once.

There's a lot of political pressure in France to find a solution to the camps in Calais and Dunkerque. The local Front National (our version of UKIP) is actively campaigning to move the border to Dover, and they have a lot of public support for this. In a post Brexit world, refusing to police the UK border would be easy political point scoring.

'He's using it as a scare tactic for sure, but there is a significant risk that he is right for once.'

Right in what way?

Its very clear that Cameron wants to stay in and I have no doubt that he will pull out all the stops to make sure it happens. Are we really being told the truth about the implications if we leave, I doubt it.