Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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unlucky83 Sat 19-Mar-16 12:54:59

^ I agree with your post, the main worrying difference for me, is that apart from your aunties shunning you, for being a lapsed catholic/church goer, there are no constraints to stay in Christianity like there are in Islam.

Death - for those that leave? Fatwas, shame, honour killings etc...

We need to ring fence people who want to leave.

I hope too AMouse. The disabled study, work, earn and pay taxes and do their best - this is my experience. I believe Corbyn knows what his home needs him to do and this to look after. Disabled need also assistive equipment to do some some tasks - especially students. I know because I am dyslexic.
Labour did not directly support the rally.

It wasn't really a "massive" rally. Estimates say 15k. Vanessa Redgrave , couples of other lovies and 14990 balaclava wearing tub-thumpers.

Pictures showed banners and placards all professionally printed split 50/50 between trade unions and socialist workers (the irony).

Your usual selection of middle-class student-union white dreadlock wearing Charlottes and clives.

Not a serious demonstration by the general public - just a few anarchists looking to start trouble with the police and begging to be kettled so they could do a sad face to er .... The daily mail.

socialistworker.co.uk/art/42387/Tens+of+thousands+join+anti-racism+protests

I have to say, some light has been shed on comments from posters on this thread.

"It was a highly political march. People made the connection between austerity and racism, between the way the system pumps out lies about refugees and other things.

Now we have to build a bigger anti-racist, pro-migrant anti-Islamophobia movement with socialist politics at the centre of it.

Weyman Bennett from Stand Up to Racism told Socialist Worker, “It’s been a great day and shows how many people reject the racism and scapegoating of the government. We have to keep campaigning to say refugees are welcome and to put Prevent in the bin.

“Stand Up to Racism now has to establish a permanent presence in every city across Britain. This is only a stage in a much longer campaign.”

Stand Up to Racism has a series of national initiatives:

Sunday 24 April,London: Trade Unions for Calais and Stand Up To Racism have called a conference to bring together trade unionists and others and report back on their recent delegation to Calais.

Wednesday 25 May, Central London rally: Refugees Welcome Here – Racism out of the Referendum

Saturday 11 June, Calais convoy: Stand up to Racism is organising a major aid convoy to Calais in conjunction with trade unions, the People’s Assembly Against Austerity and others.

^^

Sounds exactly like some things from posters on the thread, unable to separate issues. Big push for Calais, I wonder if that will be a peaceful aid convoy?
These sound like exactly the sort of people that is diving proper volunteers to utter despair

Corybn and Dianne Abbot supported it.

Others spoke about the need to confront Islamophobia. Sabby Dhalu from Stand Up to Racism said, “Muslim women who wear hijab and niqab have the right to walk down the street without fear of attack

Hi, back to see what's going on.

Mouse that's the difference. I don't know any other religion that offers, death/injury if you leave. If you said you were leaving in CofE the vicar might at most offer you a cup of tea, say how disappointed he/she was and ask what he/she could do to make it more relevant etc. I cannot imagine the vicar of the church up the road ordering a fatwah in a million years.

Segregated meetings. I do think we should say it isn't within equality laws etc. As you say it would defintely not be allowed in the case of race, in fact I'd be horrified if anyone suggested segregating by race as would any sane person. we need to place women's rights on a par with that - sacred.

I didn't know the demo happened in London.

Just seen the Syrian swimmer on TV, she cannot swim for her country but she is going to the Olympics. She doesn't wear a veil etc. She looks to be a wonderful independent young woman, says when she finishes swimming she wants to be an airline pilot. She is a wonderful role model for young women. I hope she does really well at the games.

This is why we need to put women's rights at the forefront, so we can have more wonderful young women like her for our girls to follow and our young men to value.

women who wear hijab and niqab have the right to walk down the street without fear of attack

Just muslim women or ALL women have the right to not be attacked for whatever reason?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499108/Earth-hour-cancelled-migrant-rape-Swedish-town-refuses-turn-lights-protect-women-attacks.html?ito=social-facebook

Shabby Virgin media blocked your link. Apparently 'Muslim' is blocked! What was so controversial in that article?

Wow Sporting we really are being silenced! A brief extract from the article:

A Swedish town has refused to turn its street lights off for just an hour amid fears that women will fall victim to sex attacks. Police in Östersund have taken the measure to ban Earth Hour, a festival organised to raise awareness on climate change, after 14 separate reports of sex attacks in the area.Victims have ranged from adult women to 10-year-old girls and perpetrators have managed to avoid capture

The word muslim was not mentioned, just foreign appearance.

Dreadful re sweden shabby but I was also thinking of the right of a woman to walk down the road without the NIqab at all.

Perhaps we need a 'no exceptions' campaign.

I think it's time to focus on what is happening here in the UK. We need to speak out against 'cultural practices' that do not adhere to UK law. Mistreatment of women and children, segregation, polygamy, FGM to name but a few. Because whether we like it or not the Muslim population in the UK is set to soar.

This article from last year written by an Asian woman is exactly what most of us here have been saying for ages and demonstrates perfectly what we are up against.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/high-court-judge-wrong-immigrants-5877114

In today’s ‘vibrant’ Britain, we have to be ‘tolerant’ at all times, so the ‘intolerant’ are not upset in any way.

This ^ quote from another article is all that is wrong with the UK today.

Orwell said “Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing."

Mission accomplished.

No it was the first one about the woman in Niqab not being attacked, it just said "muslim not found" which I thought was odd. Was there something controversial about the source of the article that it may be blocked for a reason, say links to more controversial sites perhaps?

Sorry, crossed lines, the first bit was from a post by A mouse, I don't know where it came from.

Moreshabbythanchic I cannot find the link but does not matter.
Our petitions says Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence One important phrase here is fee to work

sorry about the typo I mean one of the many important points in our petition is free to work

I wonder how much the lights on costs

Of course lights must be on to protect women

I think it's time to focus on what is happening here in the UK. We need to speak out against 'cultural practices' that do not adhere to UK law. Mistreatment of women and children, segregation, polygamy, FGM to name but a few.

Did anyone see the DM article
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3499369/Migrants-Idomeni-camp-frogmarch-suspected-paedophile-police.html about the blokes who caught the rapist in the Idomeni camp? A couple of things said stood out -
‘I felt angry because the girl was my nationality,’ added father-of-one Mohammed Al-Mulhem, 26, from ISIS-infested Deir ez-Zuor in Syria.
so not because a 7yo was being raped but because it was a Syrian girl

‘It was the sound of a girl crying. At first I thought it was a father beating a child but then I realised it was something serious. said by another (Moroccan).
So beating a child would be ok?

Syrian Mohammad Al-Ahmad, 19, was one of those who believed the man deserved a beating.
‘He was Afghan and we are Syrian, so that made me really angry,’ he told MailOnline.
‘He deserved to be kicked. He deserved to have his legs broken.

Again - nothing to do with protecting the girl but more worried about their nationality/honour. (tbh this reminds me of the lynching of black people in the American deep south, for 'raping' white women)

There followed a few minutes of tension when the alleged paedophile’s fellow Afghans appeared on the scene and tried to defend him from the Syrians.
‘There have been many fights between Afghans and Syrians,’ said Mr Sedo,
And there is infighting between the refugees of different nationalities.

How do we ever manage to incorporate these people with such different attitudes into our liberal society?

Sorry, crossed lines, the first bit was from a post by A mouse, I don't know where it came from

My quote re Niqab was from The socialist worker paper on line, I saw it whilst reading about the march yesterday.

I am struggling to see why Islam and the scoliast worker is so intertwined?

I think it goes back to the thing I posted about the myth of the Superior Virtue of the Oppressed (=just because someone has suffered oppression themselves, don't assume that they must somehow hold enlightened and politically correct opinions about other people).

How do we ever manage to incorporate these people with such different attitudes into our liberal society?

By being open and clear about our laws protecting womens right and and children, by not shying away from cultural offense and investigating where investigation is due, and by courts up holding OUR laws and by prosecuting and having a zero tolerance policy and by teaching rights in schools, from early age - primary.

AS a start....

I think we do not realise much about how the different nationalities of refugee/migrant view each other. We are viewing them as a whole mass and there are a lot of different peoples and lots of differing points of view and even religious division. It would be like comparing us with the Italians. We are both European nations and whilst broadly similar in some aspects there are a lot of differences. Therefore viewing all refugees and the same and expecting them to just get along great is probably naive.

Just because someone has experienced oppression does not mean they are a person above reproach. People are human beings. Capable of the greatest good and the most despicable evil, often in the same person. It's called free will and human nature and it's a b*er.

agree sports.

Re the link upthread from Morehabby - I think the server is down. That's what I was told when I clicked on it.

Oh, and this is a very good article - Nick Cohen in the Guardian on antisemitism, power, fascism and the Left.