Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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Four you are right to consider all these problems and we all seem to think about those. I try to read widely when I have a little time. This might be interesting: Female labor force in the Muslim world en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_labor_force_in_the_Muslim_world#General_female_labor_force_participation

four excellent post thank you!

using your brain to formulate an opinion which accepts the nuances of a complex situation over X-factor style emotional incontinence in the hope that being the Saddest Person in the Room/Studio/Mumsnet will get you a cheap round of applause from the other meerkats

Very true Indigo!

nmore

I feel certain areas have been left un touched for so long out of respect but I think in certain areas its looking like its actually not acceptable to let certain things carry on, eg, FGM, female segregation.

ISIS has put the darker side of islam under the spot light.

I think we need to be tough and firm, on anything that challenges female status next to male status...

Just as we would be tough, on a culture that made black and white people separate and use different facilities.

We need to support and help moderate Muslims with unisex mosques, mosques where gay people can pray, sadly the people that promote this forward thinking modern islam get DEATH THREATS....we need to PROTECT these brave souls...help them to help Islam and help us.

We also need to protect and help people who want to leave the faith, who come under death threats for whatever reason in islam, stop sharia courts etc.

And I think promote more free thought in schools....and drum gender equality into the children.

None of this " oh he beat his child because thats what they do in x country" NO.

The onus is on the new comers to find out about the laws of the land they have chosen to be guests in.

Ignorance is not enough. If you beat your child, you pay the price, if you mutilate your daughters genitles you pay the price and so on.

"need to support and help moderate Muslims with unisex mosques, mosques where gay people can pray, sadly the people that promote this forward thinking modern islam get DEATH THREATS....we need to PROTECT these brave souls...help them to help Islam and help us. "

Those things though are fundamentally against the tenets of Islam. There is no modern version, either you follow the teachings of the Koran or you are not Muslim. People are still being executed in some countries for being gay for example, it's going to take a long time for the religion to move on sufficiently for there to be gay mosques.

As far as I can tell though WEMUST< its all down to interpretations - there is no one interpretation, this is why isis IS pure ISLAM, but you can interpret the texts a different way.

Dr Taj hARAGEY has managed to interpret the texts to allow women into his mosque to pray along side the men, and there is another mosque in UK that allows apostates, gays - men and women to all pray together so it can be done!

Dr Taj has managed to interpret a few things out in fact....including veils.

THE Old guard just dont want it done.

It seems to me that it is similar to how Christianity was before the reformation e.g. having the bible in Latin. People like William Tyndale bravely translated the bible into English for the everyday man and paid with his life. You only have to look at France and the Hugenots fleeing as they were not Catholic.

Our society is live and let live which did not happen overnight so the newcomers need to adopt this approach or please do not come.

It is a control thing obviously and perhaps a fear of change but it has to change or I hope it will change otherwise I do fear for our country in 50 years' time.

Richard Starkey was booed on QT for saying that Islam was at the same stage of evolution as Christianity was during the turbulent reforms in the 1600s. I thought he was right but the carefully chosen audience refused to entertain any criticism of Islam.

Bit like now with their cologne apologists.

Depressing article by max hastings in today's DM about Europe's future. Probable war within a decade or two. I'm surprised he gives it that long.

I'm scared for my daughters but also for ds. If there is a war, he will be conscripted. Wtf are they sitting back and letting this happen to our continent .

I read that article too - and thought "it would all kick off by 2050" as wildly optimistic.

Yet another suicide bombing in Istanbul today :( . The "world's most wanted man" arrested in Brussels yesterday.

Not much in the media (that I've seen) this week about continuing sex attacks against women in Europe - but a few about the ISIS sex slaves. I've not got much positive to say about the sex industry at all and have always wondered how it's possible that a man from your office/street/family could visit a sex-worker in the UK who is very possibly a trafficking victim (just how could you???) - but I'm guessing that many of the British-passport holding men who've defected (yes, I use that word) to ISIS are A-OK with the fact these women have become possessions.

So ugly.

Many years ago I worked as a maid in a brothel and although the girls' stories were far from fairy-tale, none of them had been bought and sold as a commodity in the NON-traditional sense.

anna That's kind of what I think ...Islam is 600yrs younger than Christianity so it is 600 yrs 'behind' ....
There are still extreme Christians but they are a tiny minority and governments are not run by them. Like the extreme Jews they are present in tiny 'sects' they don't have any real power (even in Israel the government are more secular, but the extremists do have more influence).
I think Islam is likely to become more and more liberal and there will be more like Dr Taj Haragey in the future....
The dress thing - pretty sure in Koran it just says something about something covering your chest (I'd assume cleavage) and to dress modestly - niqabs and burkas are due to culture not religion. And in the UK 100 yrs ago women were just about allowed to show their ankles...

Although Christianity had the competition of a new big religion (Islam) to maybe help it along and the world mixed less...we didn't have such freedom of movement and mass immigration of cultures ... can we wait that long for the non-liberals to 'die out' in those circumstances?
(And in fact looking at countries like Iran and Afghanistan, Egypt -women had more freedom 30 yrs ago than they have now )
I think we really have to protect women's freedoms in the West, not make allowances for culture or religion. Stand up for the rights and freedoms of ALL women in our society. Not turn a blind eye to segregation or accept Sharia law etc in the name of tolerance.

I think we really have to protect women's freedoms in the West, not make allowances for culture or religion. Stand up for the rights and freedoms of ALL women in our society. Not turn a blind eye to segregation or accept Sharia law etc in the name of tolerance

I absolutely agree.

I'm so tired of seeing the liberals (amongst whom I so recently stood proud) tying themselves in knots defending the erosion of women's rights by sneering at British culture.

I really am shocked at the rampant misogyny displayed by both sexes in the name of virtue signalling.

I hope very much this silly fashion fades soon.

I keep hearing fools who've never lived in another culture telling me that we are all the same, all people are compatible.

Their bigoted ignorance is shocking. I've realised just how self-regarding and obsessed with what others think of them this group are.

The 'my pet Syrian' article in the Guardian finished me off. It's entirely about HER. What SHE gets out of it, HER guilt and how fucking amazing SHE is imposing her bollocks on the unsuspecting reading public.

I bet she hates women too.

So, that being the case, HOW can we do anything about it? Knocking about on MN threads grumbling is one thing (God knows, I've done enough of it), but what else can we do?

Do we write to our local MPs with our views on letting Turkey into Schengen? Do we press for more money to spent on the refugee camps around Syria to encourage people to stay in them and not set out on dangerous journeys to Europe?

Does anybody have any suggestions?

I still think diplomatic and political pressure to get the Gulf states to take refugees.

I think we'd see many many fewer young men leaving their countries if a few years building skyscrapers in Abu Dhabi living 19 to a room was the destination.

blogs.wsj.com/briefly/2016/03/19/the-eu-turkey-migrants-deal-at-a-glance/

Germany has been constantly pushing for migrant resettlement to be spread across the bloc, but so far, few European countries have come forward to take refugees–either out of Greece or out Turkey. One does not know whether it will work.

Writing to MPs raising issues is a good idea, but I do this and what I got was one answer before the elections and another - opposite - after the elections and after she became shadow minister.

With some of them you dont knopw which way the wind blows.

lumela I think we tried with the petition. I guess we could push that further.
We need to not accept things in our personal lives - really question them. Not be afraid of not wanting to cause offence.

Almost 20 yrs ago I was at university with a muslim bloke. He seemed quite devout wore a hat (but no beard and western clothes). He had never spoken to me (but then I was a mature student and lots of the standard age students rarely spoke to us oldies).
We ended up sitting next to each other working in separate hoods - so needing to look ahead at what we were doing - just us in a small room. The silence was awkward so I spoke to him. We had a good chat. I told him how I'd ended up there. He told me he had been to a catholic school as it was the most strict in his area. Chatted about our projects, the course, future plans etc. But I noticed when we stopped in the hoods he was looking at the floor rather than looking at me. He was obviously aware it might seem odd - so he explained he wasn't being rude, not looking at me was a sign of respect etc. I said OK . We never spoke again. I noticed he kept his head down moving around the Uni and we were never in tissue culture together again.
Now I think I should have told him that actually it was rude and I found it extremely offensive - it was disrespectful that he felt he couldn't look at me as an equal, as another human being, as a fellow student/scientist - just nothing more than a potential sex object really. Being conscious of not causing him offence I had allowed myself to be offended, to suffer a slight. Which I actually think is pretty standard British behaviour that we need to stop.
If we hear of others doing the same, point it out.
If we hear anyone saying something is OK because it is part of another's culture or religion - point it out, ask why are their 'rights' more important than the laws of the land and/or women's rights?
If we come across instances where it happens in the media/public life -make a fuss, complain.
(I think turning up at one of those segregated meeting and sitting scattered within the men would be good. And questioning the speakers. Guess we would need a protest group? )

unlucky thanks for sharing the experience. I agree this might be the experience in other unis. In some industry sectors at job interviews where candidates have to be together and discuss a team project solution they have to make eye to eye contact. The people in charge of candidate selection would decide who interacts best in a team work and is best to appoint.

I think turning up at one of those segregated meeting and sitting scattered within the men would be good. And questioning the speakers. Guess we would need a protest group?

I think that's an excellent plan! I also think it would cause the most almighty stink; there's been such a culture of collusion and active promotion by so many fools that it is now received wisdom for us to accept such discrimination.

I think the outcry would be extraordinary. To suddenly say 'actually, you know what? This is bollocks. No more treating women like that in this country. And while we're at it, don't start claiming discrimination and shouting how you're victims because the real victim here is equality.'

The liberals will lock you up and throw away the key and start writing massive compensation cheques for injured feelings.

Liberals tend to show pseudo guilt because they lost time on the conservative side of the football stadium kicking fiercly the poorest of the Left and now that they 've lost votes and learned lessons (Clegg’s broken pledge on university tuition had cost the party dear and f*** themselves) they 've go to exhonerate themselves and pay penitence and cry crocodile tears. And hadn't feminism rolled out for them a red carpet earlier for Nic to walk on?

Massive Open borders rally in London today, supported by Corbyn and with socialist worker placards.

"Organisers of the Stand Up To Racism event said it opposed racism, fascism, Islamophobia and anti-Semitism.

'The appalling treatment of refugees across Europe and the staggering rise in anti-Muslim hate crimes must be challenged,' wrote protest organisers online.

'Let’s send a message that drives back the tide of racism, fascism, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and the scapegoating of migrants and refugees – we say refugees welcome here and yes to diversity.'

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Look what happened in Germany after the Refugees Welcome brigade.

AMouse thanks I did not know this. At present there are government disability benefit cuts that are important and one expects Corbyn to make a stronger stance - it is his home - than he has; however he said 'We are going to force a vote on this. We’re launching a petition this morning against this'

I expect a Huge climb down over disability cuts, esp with IDS resignation.

Its surprising if one thinks of Camerons own son, Ivan, and what sort of life he would have lead undoubtedly needing PIP if his parents were unable to support him.

But the strong socialist element involved in No Borders is worrying with corbyn in oosition, it was no coincidence that the riot took place in Calais shortly after he was there. I dont trust him.

I think turning up at one of those segregated meeting and sitting scattered within the men would be good. And questioning the speakers. Guess we would need a protest group?

I agree. It stinks, utterly stinks.

I cannot imagine for one moment the British Public would tolerate ONE meeting by lets say ....the tribe of Oompa Loompa Land where say, half population was black and half white. And it was their culture to segregate by colour, so they continued to do that here. There would be outrage! Outrage about its unfairness, about putting us back hundreds of years, apartheid and so on. People wouldnt stand for it.