Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Yes, I've been watching that unfold on the news Glock. You have to wonder about the agenda of those who led people through a fast moving river for nothing. Leads a nasty taste in the mouth, when you see vulnerable people manipulated like that. The outcome for the migrants was at worse death and at best a fine. Nasty business.

I've seen a copy of one of the leaflets that were mysteriously dispersed to the refugees/migrants - it's shown in the DM. Full of lies that if they stayed in Greece they would be deported back to Turkey and if they made it over into Macedonia there would be buses to take them to Germany. A pregnant woman dies tried to cross the river already. The people who created the leaflets have to be the activists (anarchists) as who else has access to a photocopier to make copies to hand around. Sickening.

Why would they do that? I thought they were helping.

I think it must be the "No Borders" group, a movement dedicated to eradicating all national borders. I consider these activists to be anarchists, they are not helping refugees really - they are using them. It's one thing to help people cross borders illegally but to lie to desperate people by telling them that the camp at Idomeni will be disbanded by the Greek authorities and that they will all be deported back to Turkey if they don't make it to Macedonia is cruel and ruthless.

It's heartbreaking and disturbing all at the same time - someone's agenda being complicit in these deaths. I don't really understand anarchy at all, but am beginning to suspect a nasty underbelly to this "lack of help" by the people claiming to help.

E.g., apparently there are children in the camp in Calais who have measles yet they're being told NOT to take their children to the hospital. And those lone children (genuine children) are being told not to go with French social services and so are left to be raped night after night.

How can people live with themselves feeding scared people misinformation leading to death? How is it different to selling a life-jacket which doesn't float? :(

I'm not a perfect person, but I've never colluded to murder.

I've got no time for these No borders people but my God, if they did that they are evil.

Sorry posted on the wrong thread by mistake, I will ask for it to be deleted

Left wing agitators Claig? Wrong thread maybe however....

Wow, MNHQ are super quick, they have deleted it already. Well done!

That's a shocking revelation if true.

I always thought they were immature, self-aggrandising attention-seekers clamouring for the moral high ground.

But murderers. That's truly despicable.

We watched the NB crew last night on the news and dd noted they looked like they were thrilled. You had refugee dc distressed and that NB lot with grins on their faces. We thought the leaflets sounded suspect. I must check the DM article now. Four lives lost.

If the narrative for crossing the river was despiratation why did they go from Macedonia to Greece using the river again today and not go on the Macedonia transport?

Also that nb fb page was interesting reading the last 24 hours.

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who was actually there helping with the drowning and misinformation.

If you, or a loved one, was "helping" people, what exactly did you hope to achieve and how do you feel about the deaths?

Particularly reports that one death was of a pregnant woman?

As I recall reading reports saying that the Calaus police who brutally beat helped down from a roof a pregnant woman were very bad people indeed. That pregnant woman is, unlike the poor soul 'helped' into drowning, to my knowledge, still alive.

I wonder if the No Borders supporters see these poor immigrants as 'collateral damage' in their warped quest.

There is noone that grinned at the death and misery there Vertigo. What a vile remark.

Here we go again...

That isn't what I said.

How do you know what happened with the No Borders activists Emily?

Oh, emily, you're back!
Any response to the Pew report and the stats upthread?

I have a shadow even on the TOWIE thread.

I don't, wholecan. I think the prescence of 'no borders activists' in the sense of aggressively anarchistic activists exploiting refugees in Idomeni and Calais are an exaggeration by the right wing press and powers that be. I don't thnk a cohesive group of this kind exist. There are however a diverse group of people from various political leanings that want the humanitarian crisis and neglect of human rights to end.

Vertigo, you seem to think the volounteers tookpleasure in the refugees misery certainly.

Lumela, if respindents to the Pew report sometimes live in countries where reprisals for not expressing certain beliefs are strong, can the responses then be trusted?

If the responses can be trusted, does that then mean that international law that states safety must be given to refugees be abandoned when their beliefs do not coincide with prevailing beliefs of the host country? Does that then mean Conservative Christians that hold similar views be ousted from society in some way?

I think the prescence of 'no borders activists' in the sense of aggressively anarchistic activists exploiting refugees in Idomeni and Calais are an exaggeration by the right wing press
Do you? Then why is the first 'Campaign' [[http://noborders.org.uk on their website 'Calais Migrant Solidarity'?

If you follow that link, you find yourself here, on the Calais Migrant Solidarity website, which has the strap line under the name, 'Resisting the border regime since 2009'.

I don't thnk a cohesive group of this kind exist
Seriously? It's all cooked up by the right wing press and powers that be? Do the staffers on the DM spend their evenings building No Borders websites? Or does five minutes on Google tell you otherwise - No Borders exists, and it's active in Calais.

Or do you just think they don't exploit refugees? Or, er, migrants?

Any response to the awkward numbers upthread yet?

Here's a link to the article showing the leaflet - Sorry, it's a DM article. How I wish more media outlets were reporting on all aspects of this crisis.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3493493/Migrant-map-Europe-Leaflet-Arabic-sparked-exodus-2-000-refugees-squalid-Idomeni-camp-raging-river-Macedonia-told-buses-waiting-Germany.html

Ask yourself, who would distribute leaflets like this? Not smugglers, they make their money by quietly smuggling small numbers over the Macedonian border. Why would they encourage people to go on mass without standing to make money from it. It's in their interest to control routes over the border so that people have to rely on them and may morney. Look at the photos and see who is helping the people over the river with convenient ropes...

These people are