Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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DG - take a look here - in today's DM www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3492872/LSE-Islamic-Society-holds-segregated-event-veil-room-separate-male-female-students.html

It has to be stamped out.

Honeybadger, I havent lived in the MENA region but as a naive young woman twenty years ago, I travelled extensively. I felt very safe in most countries (South Africa, Zimbabwe for example) but, during the months I spent in Egypt and Morocco I was assaulted, intimidated and threatened on many, many occasions. I was molested by policemen twice in Morocco (one even broke into my hotel room). Contempt for women prevails in their culture and I will never be convinced that men from MENA regions have a place in our civilised society.

'will have attitudes which could damage the rest of us'

DG, on what evidence do you base this? Why would the attitudes of Syrians affect anyone else? Doyou know anySyrians? Sounds a lot like scaremongering to me.

Little break for Elvis Presley - in the ghetto (Chicago)

a painful song for babe in the ghetto "and his mama cries". "too blind to see". 39 million likes.
www.google.co.uk/search?q=in+the+ghetto&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=xyzoVvi6NYK4OqCVjLgL

I like this performance more:
Elvis Presley - In The Ghetto (Music Video) (1969) (I' ve visited Harlem)

Written by Mac Davis Recorded in 1969 at American Studio, Memphis.

Lyrics are great

Emily - I must've missed the latest reports. Are you now saying that 100% of migrants are Syrian? Because the last reports from Germany seemed to suggest that a tiny minority of the nye sex attackers were from Syria - are you now saying they were? Or have I missed your point about sex attacks?

Emily you have previously said you don't know much about Islam. Therefore perhaps you aren't qualified to discuss the Islamic positions on homosexuality or women which are very different to ours.

The poster I quoted referred to Syrians, therefore I questioned them about Syrians. You seem to be off on quite a tangent, perhaps scroll back Glock and look at what they posted.

Oh, it's just it looked like you were making sweeping generalisations by saying all immigrants were Syrians.

Attempted rape by a Libyan asylum seeker in Vienna at the weekend:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3491793/Libyan-migrant-16-forced-young-Austrian-woman-basement-tried-rape-her.html

It is voluntary en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_in_Northern_Ireland#Education

This is what the poster said

"Some Syrians will return when the trouble dies down (good news today of a limited Russian withdrawal for example might be progress). Other will be jumping for joy to be away from a culture making women cover up. However a good number from there and elsewhere will get a right to stay in Germany and thus rights to move to the UK and will have attitudes which could damage the rest of us so we need to ensure we keep educating women again and again and that in state schools we go on and on to the children that it is fine to be gay, that women are equal, that girls dont' have to cover their heads, even if we upset their parents. Small price for the parents to pay to live here"

I think what the poster is saying is quite clear "from there and elsewhere".

Those who follow these threads and are genuinely interested in the issues understand the "from elsewhere" as we know Men from Tunsia, Pakistan, Morocco etc are mixed up with the refugees from Syria.

I ll be back late from work.

emily, have you read the Pew survey yet? The people who did the survey were unable to work in Syria, but the results for Jordan - a neighbouring country and probably not vastly dissimilar - are interesting (I've put the numbers for the Lebanon in brackets):

% want sharia as official law: 71% (29% in Lebanon)
% support stoning as the penalty for adultery: 67% (46% in Lebanon)
% agree with death for leaving Islam: 82% (again, 46% in Lebanon)
% who think homosexual behaviour is not moral: 96% (97% in Lebanon)
% agree polygamy is moral: 41% (45% in Lebanon)
% agree a wife should obey her husband: 80% (74% in Lebanon)

I should note that the figures for Afghanistan and Morocco etc are not exactly cheering either.

Are you aware that we live in this thing called society? Are you aware that people's attitudes influence how society works? Men of any colour who think it is okay to assault women, or beat up gays, have an impact on how society works. Do you understand that the more of them there are, the greater the risks for women and gays?

Course it did Glock.

So you were making sweeping generalisations in an attempt to derail the thread? Surely that's against Talk Regs?

Emily
Scaremongering? No, it's the truth - most countries in that area - Syria included - are generally 400 or so years behind our position on equality.
There's a sweeping generalisation for you.
Combine that with a religion that really doesn't seem very keen at all on progression or education, the after effects of having your country bombed to bits, and large groups of testosterone-fuelled young men... not good.

It was sarcasm Glock. I don't make generalisations. I'm not frightened of refugees.

Your 'truth' is incorrect Twins.

Oh me either - I am frightened about getting raped though by someone whose views on women are centuries behind those found in western europe. Of course I actually have experience in this area, having been raped before and sexually assaulted by two MENA men in Brussels.

But the previous poster, as has already been pointed out did not say what you implied they said emilybohemian.

WSS (TinySombrero).

Of course I'm super lucky because I understand the difference between refugee and economic migrant. So I bless my education and ability to think critically. :)

Have you read that survey, emily?

I think you'd find it very interesting. It makes it manifestly clear that a lot of the views on women's and gay rights which are taken for granted in Europe are a million miles from those held by many, many people in MENA.

Of course I'm super lucky because I understand the difference between refugee and economic migrant

A vital distinction to be able to make in this crisis.

The in ability to make this distinction harms true refugees.

I'm not really familiar with the law around "war crimes" (although as an aside I had a small involvement in Den Haag around the Milosovic period) - but I was wondering on this topic of criminality - has anyone heard the news today of activists on the Idomeni camp who spread the word that there was safety the other side of the river where a minimum of three refugees drowned (one a pregnant woman).

Shouldn't those activists be charged with manslaughter?

What a murky world. It only sprung to my attention because I remember someone non mn a couple of weeks ago talking about the camp there and what they were doing to help the people there.