Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Let the debate continue.....

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/24/greek-islanders-to-be-nominated-nobel-peace-prize

Juncker denies any link between the migration crisis and the attacks in Cologne. Online telegraph front . I can't link on my phone.

You can access the telegraph article (not sure if it's the whole thing or not) at this link

The European Commission will be the "voice of reason" and tell the public that there is no link between the migration crisis affecting the continent and attacks on women in Germany, internal minutes disclose, amid growing concerns at a "xenophobic" backlash.
So apparently we are to believe that Jess Philips is right and attacks like those in Cologne are a normal and integral part of European culture.

Which would obviously explain why never in my life before have such things been reported in Europe, and why I was never warned about them by my mother when I was a teenager.

Being concerned about changes to a culture you value is not being a xenophobe.

They're desperate to forge ahead with that ever closer union, aren't they? I've just read the front page of the DM and wish I hadn't. I keep on hoping that someone will come along like Emily who'll reassure me that women and my daughter will be just fine in the future, once we get our own house in order first. Perhaps we should have listened to that UN special rapporteure, who stated that the UK is the most sexist country in the world metro.co.uk/2014/04/15/boys-club-britain-were-worlds-most-sexist-country-claims-un-envoy-4700459/

The European Commission will be the "voice of reason" and tell the public that there is no link between the migration crisis affecting the continent and attacks on women in Germany, internal minutes disclose, amid growing concerns at a "xenophobic" backlash

Wow - what a whopper!!

The practice of Taharrush gamea - sexual assaults on mass, was not known in these parts (Europe), it has been imported - for sure.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12130843/EU-leaders-No-link-between-Cologne-sex-attacks-and-migrant-crisis.html

Someone started a thread in the feminism section asking why Jess Phillips wasn't being discussed in FWR, and I pointed her at this thread. I hope you don't mind, January and Yodel, but I quoted your posts over there because I thought they were so good. (If you want to adhere to the "don't carry stuff over from one thread to another" etiquette, I'll ask mumsnet to take my post down and repost with just a link to this thread).

January - thanks for e-mailing Phillips. I too will be very interested to see her response.

I don't have a daughter, but a DS and DSS. It will impact them too as they could grow up in a world where girls are wary of men. It will make it more difficult for them to have free and trusting friendships with girls and then women. It may make it more difficult for them to even meet their life partners. It will mean that they may be forced into acting as guards and protectors for the women in their lives rather than being able to enjoy days and nights out relaxing and enjoying the company of friends - how can they if they have to look over their shoulders watching out for other men who think that unacceptable acts are acceptable.

I don't want my wonderful gentle free thinking boys to be forced into this - DSS particularly is a gentle soul and at 18 would not be able to handle fighting and violence - it just is not the way he is.

So I fear for them too as these men will affect their lives. Yes there are men from Europe and other western economies who are sexist and violent towards women, I don't think we will ever entirely get rid of it, but we need to have a clear message of it is a crime to do this. Heckling is not great but I can mostly handle that, but it is a far cry from someone putting his hands on your body, inside your body.

So not just for our daughters but our sons too, we need to make a better world for the next generations not a worse one!

google translate version of the Frankfurter Alegemeiner article Yodel linked to upthread.

I’ve been reading German press articles (in English). The overwhelming majority of the perpetrators are from the Maghreb, including teenagers (“children”). Long-settled Maghreb working immigrants are horrified and don’t understand why the police don’t arrest them. Germany has now ruled that Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco are safe places of origin, as are countries in Eastern Europe, so immigrants from there have no chance of being awarded refugee status. They hope to deport them. Syrians are genuine refugees, are on the whole better educated, and are generally law-abiding according to statistics. From that point of view, the Cologne attacks weren’t to do with the refugee crisis but to do with young male economic migrants piggy-backing on the refugees and criminal gangs from the Maghreb already resident in Germany.

I wish Jess Phillips had said that instead, mrsm.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423959/No-link-migrant-crisis-wave-New-Year-sex-attacks-Arab-North-African-men-women-Cologne-say-EU-leaders.html

It is indeed a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. The EU commission is a bunch of self serving, dishonest bureaucrats hope they will choke on their fine wines and escargots. This seals it for me. I will vote 'Out'. Bring on Brexit.

I made pretty much the point that mrsquagmire made, about young men from the Maghreb piggy-backing on the genuine refugees, BTL on a Guardian article. My comment was deleted.

That is just another attempt at a cover up. Do they not think that we can work this out for ourselves and see the connection with migration and these sexual assaults. AFAIK nothing like the events in Cologne and other places have ever been heard of before and now these towns are flooded with men from different cultures where women are treated as sex objects and worthy of no respect they are trying to say no connection. They are LIARS.

Oh the irony.

On 7 Jan 2016 Jess Phillips wrote a piece for the Guardian about Why I won’t shut up about misogyny and the left:

"I suggested that some leftwing feminists will forgive anything if it is done by a leftwing man. [...] I believe the Labour leadership team do want to fight for equality for women but they think it is a happy byproduct of the cause, something that will trickle down without actually being campaigned for. And because of this they could potentially turn a blind eye to terrible misogyny in some of the causes they support. What worries me about this is that good feminists might turn a blind eye too, for the sake of their man."

Why can she see this in relation to the Labour party's internal affairs, but not in relation to wider policies?

I bunged my earlier post on here in a rush this morning, and heading out to walk the bloody dog I thought, you know what? Back to my MP and MEPs: most of the useless buggers haven't even bothered to acknowledge my earlier email nearly THREE WEEKS ago.

I've completely had it with Labour and the Guardian now. I still believe in progressive taxation, unions, the NHS and an underpinning welfare state, but I also believe in women's rights. It appears they don't give a stuff: when push comes to shove, we're the ones under the bus.

What was I saying three or more weeks ago about who was going to own this debate if the Left and Centre didn't step up?

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It is also noticeable that the Guardian's regular feminist opinion writers, people like Jessica Valenti ("We can't stop rape if we prize men's reputations over women's safety", "We need to walk the streets without fear"), are ignoring the NYE atttacks completely.

For some reason I have this image of Jessica Valenti locked in a cupboard in the Guardian offices yelling "let me at my keyboard." I suspect the editorial powers that be consider it to be quite one thing to have a tame radical feminist from whom to commision articles on manspreading in the knowledge that this will serve as irresistable click-bait to the misogynistic below-the-line frothers, but quite another to let their radical feminist actually write something about something that matters, where she might upset the Guardian's virtue signalling "nothing to see here, move along, move along" orthodoxy.

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I'm a glimmer too.

I feel quite impotent and side-lined by it "all". On the right we have "men's interests", on the left we have "denial".

Probably why the last time I voted it was all rather NOTA.

An ex of mine used to say he was "taxed without representation" and I thought he was being funny/cynical - but I feel like that now.

Lumela I feel out with the 'left' a long time ago - if nothing else than because they lost sight of their origins with union leaders reminding me of the pigs in animal farm...and 'traditional labour' politicians like the Kinnock family. I figure there was a reason why Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major...(and had a more privileged upbringing/background)
But actually I fell out with the whole idea of left (Labour = good and caring) and right (Tory = nasty and heartless) and the need to identify with either side, opposition politics and I despair of career politicians too.
I now look at the policies and judge which ones have the most I agree with and also if there are any I really can't support and vote for the ones to me seem to have the most common sense policies. Not just the best for me but what I consider the best for the majority of the country.
(I have to vote because of the suffragettes, find it difficult sometimes and last time for the first time I tactically voted to try and keep a party out).
So when Jess Phillips opens her mouth and forsakes common sense in order to toe the 'left wing' Labour line - just so they can have an opposing view/be different from the 'right wing' Tories I no longer feel I am tainted by association...
And I can say I think DC has got it right this time - supporting the camps and taking people directly from the camps. Maybe we could do more - take more and give more aid to the camps - but I think it is the common sense thing to do.
I do suffer mild despair that the nature of opposition politics means that Labour can't just agree in principle and get on with it - maybe pressure the government to work on things like a sensible increase in the numbers.

A friend of mine, a psychoanalyst, believes that if UK's attitudes to women change for the bad, the menfolk will at first support their women and protest that they should be able to go anywhere they want by themselves, etc. But apparently Male bonding is always stronger than heterosexual love. Men will unite to control women at a societal level, even those who are at first reluctant.

I hope she is wrong.

And a quote from 200 yrs ago (just to cheer you up!):

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
-Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)

I agree with your friend.

edition.cnn.com/2016/01/28/europe/migrants-fatally-drown-mediterranean/index.html?eref=rss_latest

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/10-greece-bound-migrants-drown-off-turkish-coast-36613348

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

more misery being spread.

That's horrible Vertigo. And entirely predictable.