Brexit: what would happen to EU citizens living in UK?

[marghini]

I am a EU citizen and I have been living, working and paying taxes in the UK for a while.

I am really concerned about what would happen to the EU citizens who built a life for themselves and settled here in the UK in case of a Brexit.

Do you think all EU citizens already living in the UK would be pushed out? Or perhaps the government would just stop allowing further EU immigration?

I've spent a lot of my weekend gouing through the forms and I think I've come to the conclusion it's easier to get the permanent residence card (or at least it's easier for me). Then I will be able to breathe better for a bit, until I can sort the citizenship stuff.
I've also advise my parents to do the same so they can't be kicked out. You never know.

Toppoki your ex is talking shit.
IF you want to stay (you could well decide to go back to your country before the birth after all and he couldn't stop you - unlike after the birth), the PR dicument ask for proff you have been living here for 5 years and been employes/self sufficent/self employes and/or your have a child who is a british citizen (which you baby will be as his dad is british).
Don't listen to him abd do your homework. The paperwork is atrocious (85 bloody pages of it!), sometimes unclear and ask for a lot of documentation (I'm doing a lot of digging out paperwork atm) but totally feasible.
I susopect the big issue will be lead times as so many people will be asking for a PR and/or british citizenship

Yes mathanxiety well aware. The eec wasnt the EU.

What happens if you dont want to give up your citizenship.

One of my friends husbands is Spanish and although here for 10 years and working, he wouldnt want to give up his Spanish citizenship to be come British.

One of my friends husbands is Spanish and although here for 10 years and working, he wouldnt want to give up his Spanish citizenship to be come British.

I think I can answer that in reverse. The British home office considers people who gave up their British citizenship Because the had to to live abroad somewhere that doesn't allow dual differently to people who could have had dual but just decided to denounce their britishness

So it's easier to become British again if you move back if you had to give it up due to now capacity for dual, than it would be if you denounced it just because you didn't feel british

So maybe it works the other way round, if he has to give up his spanish passport to stay, the spanish would consider that if he ever moves back and it would be easier for him to regain his spanish citizenship in the future… than if he just gave it up to make a point?

NowWhat1983 I have dual citizenship from UK and another EU state. Does Spain not allow dual citizenship? I read this in wikipedia:
'Dual citizenship is permitted for all Spaniards by origin, as long as they declare their will to retain Spanish nationality within three years of the acquisition of another nationality'.

But you don't seem to be aware of the extent of co-operation and collaboration in research that went on from 1973.

And you haven't taken on board the huge disparity in endowments I posted. Billions of dollars vs millions of pounds means the universities with the billions will remain cutting edge. How are British universities to improve their endowment picture and how will they make up for the loss of EU research funding?

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Morning, not sure if this is the right thread to post this on. I know everyone of the EU citizens (I refuse to see myself as a migrant) living in the UK has different circumstances and is facing a period of uncertainty. It's been now 4 days and I haven't been able to seep properly since Friday. I woke up this morning feeling sad, tearful and hurt. Not because I fear I will be dragged out of the country by my hair anytime soon but that the premise on which I, my dh and my children have built a life in this country has been taken away since Friday

We both have lived here for 20+ years, paid our taxes (how i feel the pressure to emphasise this now) live in our own home and our dc are settled at school. We have a tight network of friends probably also as a result of not having any family nearby. Our friendship circle includes people from Argentina, France, Germany, India, Australia, Germany, Italy, Turkey, Iraq and of course Britain. During my career here I have worked and socialised with people from all over the world. I have loved this multi-cultural environment and all the possibility Britain as a EU member has afforded me with. for all this. I was lucky to be able to come to Britain as a free person, not fleeing from hardship or war and not looking to further myself economically.

The UK, especially London, simply became our chosen home and I felt valued for who I was not for my parents profession or social status, background or ethnicity. I have always felt lucky and privileged to be able to live and participate in such an amazing place as London.

Since Friday this has been taken away, at least on an emotional level. Practically, we (as all other EU citizens in the UK) are now facing an uncertain future as neither dh or I have ever seen it necessary to request ILR or apply for citizenship previously. This means our dc born and bred in London have at this point in time no particular right to their birth country.

We have always felt equal as Europeans, and didn't see the need to protect ourselves legally, what a mistake this has turned out to be because we never were equal despite contributing in the same way as UK citizens through our taxes and NI. I have never felt British but European with a love for her chosen home country, the UK.

With one swoosh we now belong to a distinct group (rather than enjoying the accepting anonymity of London) that can be spotted due to their accent or the language they might speak with the dc occasionally. My dh and I both come from two different EU countries and London was our home, there is no obvious alternative home for us at this point in time.

I truly hope Boris and his pals will tell us EU citizens in the UK where we stand and what our rights are going forward because we are now frantically thinking about clever plans A, B and C whilst trying to locate all the different necessary papers to apply for The Card and looking and employment options abroad. I have come to feel deeply connected to the place we live in and to the people around me but I have realised that we have no ‘right’ to it any longer at least for the time being.

Sorry for the long essay.

Katefliesakite I have dual nationality which includes UK. Every one of us in family is Brit so we have right to live here indefinitely. I settled in UK because of marriage and then had family children, job and own a property. I had jobs outside UK too and could have stayed elsewhere because of my qualifications. But this is not the point. We plan what to do now because we want to be in an economy offering economic stability and reliability and better more secure career prospects for our younger.

You don't take anything for granted unless there is a contract where clauses guarantee stay and provide resolution if the contract changes. Try to use the rights in the country U R - don't let time lapse. Try to become always a citizen if possible. The EU Treaty however had left the possibility of any state breaking apart so never sure a state will be a member for ever. Greenland joined 1973 and broke in 1982. Still you have time with family to plan what to do and is best financially for all of you .

Adulting if you are still around, or anyone who might know :
So that's www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/505032/EEA_PR__03-16.pdf the right document isn't it, but the fee only seems to be £65? Also I have lived in the UK for longer than 5 years, should I still also mention that I'm British DS's mum? I don't need to, do I?

How are British universities to improve their endowment picture and how will they make up for the loss of EU research funding?

Why are universities from the rest of the EU performing better on the world stage with all that funding?

We now charge every single student £9000 a year every year. That's alot of money.

MariscallRoad maybe his wife has it wrong then. She seemed to think he couldnt get a uk passport without giving up the Spanish.

The £65 for this is only the start, because it costs much more to go on to naturalise

Plus, it'll cost you nearly that to post it signed for once you've compiled all your paperwork and included a signed for return envelope for the same weight to come back to you

Put in supporting evidence at the back such as DSs birth cert and letter of attendance from his school or GP. (Those kindsa letters cost money too). It's always better to go more than less with the HO

And there's a lot of printing, you only need to print the sections relevant to you though

MariscallRoad maybe his wife has it wrong then. She seemed to think he couldnt get a uk passport without giving up the Spanish

It varies, it was a concern of some countries that joining the EU would = everyone from the EU being able to become citizens (obv after living there for a bit) so some countries put a stop to dual, and others possibly never allowed dual in the first place. England has to allow dual because of its history and because of NI, some other EU countries don't

A lot of countries don't support dual nationality. This has been an issue for my wife who would have to renounce her citizenship to become British which of course isn't easy for her to do as it's an emotional decision.

Until last week there seemed little point being a fellow EU citizen. We'll have to rethink this as the situation develops.

There has also been rumblings from time to time of countries who do allow dual stopping it.

I heard it ages about Australia (in relation to people living there just long enough to get citizenship, then getting it just to "keep options open" before returning home). IMO commonwealth countries are likely to continue to allow dual with GB though

So even those of us who have dual now, may have to chose between them in the future

Adulting dh is looking at the form has done a bit of reading around it. He seems to think that writing a cover letter would suffice and that filling in the form might be a bad idea as they are asking a lot of questions which can make it easier for them to refuse LR? Would you agree with this view?

Technically you don't need to submit the form at all you just need to submit all the evidence and payment.

But I don't see how you'll be less likely to be declined doing it that way, if anything you're more likely to miss something.

You only need to submit the sections you are directed to as being relevant to your claim

I wouldn't go down that route at the moment, there'll be a huge backlog as it is, and if your form is harder work than others recieved on the same day, guess which they'll wanna do first?

You'll be without your passport and other documents for months (you can get it back in an emergency though)

I wouldn't drag it out by trying to do it DIY, you'll still need to address every aspect that is relevant to your claim

Thanks again Adult to clarify are you suggesting to get on with it and use the form? Or wait a little and use the form?

as they are asking a lot of questions which can make it easier for them to refuse LR?

You will still have to address all the questions in the sections relevant to your claim even if you don't use the actual form

You don't get to chose which sections are relevant to you, the form tells you which sections you need to do, and with or without the form you'll need to address pretty much everything they've asked.

Don't try and second guess what is the right or wrong answer, just be honest and back it up with documents.

Get on with it so long as you've no holidays booked, you might be without your passport for some time.

But it takes time to gather the documents in the first place, e.g. letters form employers or universities etc.

Start by reading what sections you need to fill out, then write a list of the documents/evidence you need and get them first, because what you write on the form should match your evidence/documents.

This stage might take you longer than you think

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The best thing is to read the most recent Laws of the country you originally come from as you can speak the language and also speak to a lawyer in the country where U were born and the Home Office. Rules indeed vary between states. But Laws might change.