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Brexit: what would happen to EU citizens living in UK?

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marghini · 13/01/2016 19:07

I am a EU citizen and I have been living, working and paying taxes in the UK for a while.

I am really concerned about what would happen to the EU citizens who built a life for themselves and settled here in the UK in case of a Brexit.

Do you think all EU citizens already living in the UK would be pushed out? Or perhaps the government would just stop allowing further EU immigration?

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BursarsFrogs · 24/06/2016 18:25

post alas, not all of us are working. Most are probably yes, but I have no faith in any good will towards us who aren't, like SAHMs and people unable to work, no matter how long we've lived here and built a life.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 24/06/2016 18:28

I'm English and married to a Polish woman for the past 7 years, she is worried about the result thinking she will have to leave the UK. The reason she is thinking this is because our marriage is registered in Poland and not in England. We went to register here but were told we don't need to. Will things have changed now coming out of the e.u?

Worse case scenario is that she'll be treated like a non EU spouse and you'll have to meet the income requirements
Best case scenario is she gets amnesty as a pre 2018 permanant residence, but if that is to be the case she needs to get her EEAPR sorted ASAP

^ All just my guesses/assumptions though

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 24/06/2016 18:28

Oh and she'll probably need comprehensive health insurance too

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 24/06/2016 18:30

(as does anyone applying for EEAPR who is self employed or a student, even if you're not it's probably best to get Comprehensive health insurance now if you can afford it to support any future claims to stay)

Fawful · 24/06/2016 18:39

So I'd personally have to earn £35,000? Or would that be joint income with a spouse? Have no idea what comprehensive health care insurance is but I guess that's what I'm looking up next. Immigration solicitors not picking up phones where i am today.
I had wanted to apply to citizenship in 2011 because I like this country and have no desire to go back where I come from. Even took the life in UK test. Wonder if it's still valid.
DS taunted st school, 'so, when are you going back?' He was born here...

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 24/06/2016 18:43

I think you'll find citizenship applications have changed since you last looked into it, you'll probably have to apply for EEAPR now before you can apply for citizenship.

BursarsFrogs · 24/06/2016 18:47

So no chances for someone living here on an average salary then? Well, fuck.

Schwabischeweihnachtskanne · 24/06/2016 18:53

Fawful your son is a British citizen - I don't know about what will happen to you (I am in a not totally dissimilar position in an EU country) but your son cannot be sent out of the UK any more than any British citizen can:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/483729/MN1_Guide_December_2015.pdf (page 6)

ArrestedDevelopment · 24/06/2016 19:50

Please can anyone give advice to this situation

Sister lives in Italy 16 years and married and has Kids over there.
They planned to move to England in August not because of recent EU stuff but jobs are very hard to find in southern Italy and her husband made redundant.

Now what will happen if they move now ?
They will have only been here two years by the time we leave EU so won't have a long history and it will look like they only moved because of EU stuff but a move was on the cards for ages.

Could they split her family up and send her husband back even if he had a job?
Would the kids qualify for citizenship?

With all this they don't know wheather to just stay put rather than the cost of relocating and then later down the line being forced to move back.

Mistigri · 24/06/2016 20:25

Arrested unfortunately, some of these questions don't have a definitive answer :(

Re the kids, if your sister is British and was born in the UK to British parents (I'm simplifying here because its complex) then she can pass on her british nationality to her children. Nationality law is complicated though so she should get onto the home office site and do some reading.

Re her husband, the chances are high that he would be OK, but there are no guarantees until we know what the "divorce settlement" looks like.

Can both your sister and her husband easily get work in the UK? I don't think the date of the move matters that much tbh as there is apparently no prospect of article 50 being triggered until September (and probably not even then) meaning that the UK's legal relationship with the EU remains unchanged until, probably, at least 2019.

ArrestedDevelopment · 24/06/2016 20:56

Thank you misti, they really should have set out before the vote what happens to people in these situations.

So many people will be very worried.

Her husband will do any work but it's the minimum income which has been mentioned which is worrying.

MariscallRoad · 24/06/2016 21:32

Deanoo79 it should be considered legally as marriage. I knew a case like yours and it was so. Now what you need is to get from Poland an official copy of your marriage certificate translated from Polish to English and keep it in a safe place. Ask Polish Consulate how U do this.

Here are some Reality Check answers you might find useful:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36619817

Try to get naturailization for wife since she is so long in UK. The application might be costly but try to do this. I have done the procedure years ago. Here are 2 more links you might find useful:
www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen/check-if-you-can-apply
www.gov.uk/tax-foreign-income/residence

2moreminutes · 24/06/2016 21:38

If you're already here, you will get to stay.
You've got in. Nobody's going to tell you to leave.
I think you're worrying necessarily.

However, it might not be so easy if and when you wanted to bring loads more family members over.
There will be more controlled immigration. Which will make things better for the immigrants already here, yes?

Also, they might clamp down on money being sent 'home'.
Although I doubt that has been happening anyway, as apparently immigrants already spend most of their money in this country which contributes to the economy.
I wouldn't have thought that they aresending lots of money out of the country anyway?

n.

2moreminutes · 24/06/2016 21:38

unnecessarily.

Agrippina90 · 24/06/2016 21:58

Fawful just wanted to say how appalling the 'when are you going back' taunting is - truly, utterly shameful. I hope the school is going to deal with it appropriately and that your DS is okay - I'm so sorry he had to experience that. I'm beyond disgusted.

MariscallRoad · 24/06/2016 22:09

ricketytickety you say We have no access to the European court of Human Rights. What happens when our justice system fails? This is not the case until we pull out of the ECHR which would place us in the same standing as Belarus !

That plan was even suggested by Teresa May who has not even taken sides in the Ref.

Note that Turkish citizens do have full access to the ECHR!

OpenMindedSceptic · 24/06/2016 22:44

Adulting

Real Catch 22 with the new PR rules. Would it be possible for SAHM to apply (for PR) as a self sufficient person if the husband fully supports them financially?

Khizra · 24/06/2016 23:27

Ok someone have to help me out of this situation.. I have Norwegian passport does this EU shitt apply on me? Norway is under eea but would it effect this on me and my child? Since now United Kingdom is not more in EU And one more question.. My husband have eea f card from Belgium Brussels which is for 5 years me and my husband applied for residencel card for my husband which takes 6 months..we applied in February now I am worried if they gonna reject to give my husband residencel card.. Please if someone can help me to answer

Mistigri · 24/06/2016 23:40

Khizra I'm not sure I completely understand your question, but the UK will still be in the EU until October 2018 at the earliest, so the referendum result shouldn't affect any applications that have already been submitted.

Khizra · 24/06/2016 23:47

Yeaah but the thing is what will happen after October 2018? I am justt scared if it gonna creates situation like we have to leave United Kingdom if it creates alots of troubles for uss.. If they say no benefits for uss anymore what will we do then and likee hell I am. Afraid for my husband we are fucked up.. But I am norwigan citizen I don't know if all this shitt applies on me

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:18

Hammad, maybe you can make sense of this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_citizen#Applicable_countries_under_UK_nationality_law

I think all in all, your wife should try really hard to learn Swedish.

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:23

Adulting, wrt a US SSN, the US has very strict rules designed to prevent turning a temporary student visa into full fledged immigration and they may differ from UK/EU rules that emerge when it comes to NHS/NI, etc.

That being said, I would err on the very cautious side and assume the worst when it comes to entitlement.

MariscallRoad · 25/06/2016 00:53

Fawful I am so sad with your story. I am sad because your DS has been taunted. So was mine by neighbours when he was eight. I then spoke to the Council and my MP. It stopped temporarily but did start again and the cycle had been repeated. Speak to your MP and the school. They should deal.

Try to apply for naturalisation and read the instructions yourself. SmileI had done so five years ago and I got the passport - did not take long.
If the spouse is British resident it needs 18600 to bring the wife/husband according to the rule I know. If the earning spouse is not British he/she needs 35K.

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