Mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other European cities part IV

[VertigoNun]

The reports of attacks on Women in NYE, are in their hundreds.

Help the animals, the part about the 'poor' girls was a quote from a post by Theydontknowweknow actually, who I was responding to and the poster seemed very sincere about her sadness for what happened to the girls.

'Then let's hear your take on why Arab-speaking ME-NA men sexually attacked and raped the women. They are after all from the same region of the world as you, so come on ... we would love to hear why the recently-arrived and not so recent (i) conducted themselves in this way, and (ii) felt they could in a modern European country'.

Do you know all the facts on Colgne? Were the not 1000 attackers? Do you know exactly where those 1000 were from, how long they had been in the country etc? Can you substantiate that these 1000 were 'not so recent.' I think not.

Reports DO state that some arrested were already known to the police. The role of criminality and criminal gangs is an important factor in what led to the attacks is it not? it and it is ludicrous to say I don't care about it at all. I have stated a number of facts about those that commit sexual violence that may have an influence. I think sex attacks have a greater than simply the rejection of gender equality.

The posts on here seem more about popularising stereotypes and supporting limiting immigration than pushing women's rights to the top of the agenda.

help I agree that a woman wearing a burka in this country is an insult to all women and men. There is no justification for it. It is there to make women invisible and as an excuse to brand women who don't want to be dressed covered head to foot as immodest or somehow it inferior or asking for it.

So it's now revealed that three Afghan refugees tried to gang-rape a woman on a train in Paris. She was incredibly lucky to escape.

The reports are now coming thick and fast.

This is all starting to feel a bit scary, to be honest.

Emily We can't take everyone as refugees. What about taking women and children left to starve to death in Syria or in the refugee camps where they are being raped? Or Christians who are a persecuted minority in danger of being wiped out in the ME? Do these able bodied men need refuge more than them?

No emily

We're outraged that our freedom of speech and our freedom to go about our daily business without being assaulted or harassed are curtailed in order to accommodate an endless stream of single male migrants from a range of misogynist countries.

Power and anger play a large part in sexual violence..There was an incident in Vietnam at a public pool opening were many women were stripped and assaulted. We hear of gang rapes on college campuses in America. Women in India have been gang raped, where religions Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism,Buddhism and Islam are practiced. If these kinds of assaults occur in various parts of the world, is the causal factor religion? Should we focuson one religion as worse and more dangerous than others and more likely to make men commit sexual violence? I think not.

Also, can we realistically say that the tiny proportion of men that commit these acts represent an entire religion followed by so many? It seems illogical to me.

Women historically have been denigrated and objectified and viewed as the property of males around the world. It is only in the last several decades that our laws in the United States have come to reflect a different reality, and in many societies around the world it is still the case. To the extent any culture has those kinds of messages out there, that provides fertile ground for angry individuals to target individuals who are vulnerable. But further to that I think it is important to examine why this kind of man has such a level of hate.

The reports are now coming thick and fast. This is all starting to feel a bit scary, to be honest

I wouldn't worry too much ... if the German initiative around social media is anything to go by, a time will probably come when they'll all be deleted as well

And we will be left with emily!

The more I read about these attacks the more angry I am becoming. I am angry with the men who are doing this, with the politicians who are allowing it, the media who are tryingto hide it and the people who are defending them. They are all as bad as each other.

I'm not sure its hate, more like assertion of power, sexual frustration and opportunity. If you see women as fair game, then women just roaming free around the streets are there just for the taking.

Pleased others can see why it makes me cross...and Janet Street Porter spoke up.
I really really wish women who have the choice didn't wear the burka...but I read something about when hijab was banned in Iran under a Shah (in the 40s I think) and the police forcibly removing head scarves and that made me feel uncomfortable too. And some women felt uncomfortable without it and stopped going out and actually that didn't bode well for the long term future of that country ...
But still it makes me cross!

Emily, If you want to discuss general male sexual violence in society please do start your own thread, it's a very valid and important issue that does need discussing.
However these threads are specifically about the very new phenomenon of mass sexual assaults in public never before seen in Europe prior to mass immigration of young men.
It doesn't matter how much you try to separate these particular attacks from immigration, they are intrinsically linked.

Emily Most of us are for limiting immigration of men who attack women. Of course it cannot be known who these are when they arrive, but after arrival - 4 months after arrival or 4 yrs after arrival, it doesnt matter - they have to be deported. Why? Because once they have sexually attacked, esp. in a group it establishes that their behaviour is not compatible with German culture and it cannot be cultured out of them - impossible. Such a policy has to be strictly applied, i.e. if you violate our law, you're out!

And it is irrelevant whether it was 1,000 Arab-speaking men, or 50 in Cologne.

Ok let's concentrate on the crime. How do you propose the police deal with mass sexual assaults when they are heavily outnumbered?

This was posted by Deutsche Welle today:
www.dw.com/en/germany-sends-hundreds-of-migrants-back-to-austria-every-day/a-18972618
"The daily number of migrants being turned back has risen from 60 in December to 200 since the start of the year[...] Last week, Sweden tried to lessen the flow of migrants by imposing border controls on those entering the country from Denmark. Denmark then introduced checks on those arriving from Germany. Austria has also tightened controls on its border with Slovenia, sending back 1,652 migrants since January 1, according to police."
What I am not seeing in any of the reports (unless I've missed something) is a breakdown by country of the places the would-be migrants are coming from. There is a lot of concern about a backlash against bona fide refugees, but many of those trying to reach western Europe via Turkey and Greece are not from war zones at all, and have no justifiable claim to asylum.

Emily, If you want to discuss general male sexual violence in society please do start your own thread, it's a very valid and important issue that does need discussing

hear hear.

I have to say in all my time on MN I have never known a poster like Emily. I really have not.

This was what Hungarian Prime Minister, Orban, said in October

"Orbán says migration crisis ‘destabilizing democracies’

Hungary’s PM wants to ‘remove the muzzle of political correctness’ from debate.

Europe’s migration crisis is destabilizing democracies and the debate on how to solve it must be free of political correctness, according to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.

“We need to listen to the people and incorporate their views in our politics,” Orbán told Hungarian state television Wednesday. “If we can’t do that, we’ll have a political crisis on top of our migrant crisis.”
...
He said allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants to enter Europe, “destabilizes European democracies.”

“We need to start the debate about the future of our Continent honestly, without the muzzle of political correctness, without pretense, talking straight.”

Orbán reiterated Hungary’s position that the EU should “take [migrants] back to the refugee camps they started out from.”

“The further they come from their troubled countries, the more difficult it will be for them to return. Therefore these people must remain [in their region] and humane conditions must be created for them [there].”

www.politico.eu/article/orban-migration-crisis-balkan-avramopoulos/

The more time goes on, the more it looks like this may be a deliberate destabilisation, particularly of Germany, which has just suffered the death of German nationals in an attack in Turkey.

This will make Germans more angry and is likely to increase the polarisation and possible destabilisation.

What can the politically correct political class do to placate the public. We know they cannot be politically incorrect and so they will probably implement the Orwellian state to strip the liberties of their people and say we need to do that because we can't be politically incorrect and end the Middle East wars caused and funded by our allies backing Jihadis against sovereign governments and saying that we can't solve these wars by reigning in medieval regimes who are our allies and that we can't provide peace so that the estimated 9 million more refugees who are still to come to Europe according to the German development minister can instead stay in a peaceful Middle East.

The European political class will probably choose the Orwellian control method with banning any dissent on facebook and twitter and disallowing the use of terms such as "Red Tory" etc.

In my opinion, only a change of policy in America will free us from this political correctness. The American elections will determine what happes to us and our politically correct puppet political class.

Please note posters using "We" are not speaking for me. I speak for me. Thanks.

Meph: "And now our students will be taught The Truth, without ever knowing there is the possibility of examining what they are given. They will march blindly into a future created to enslave them, with the only question being whether they will be enslaved by amoral business men from the West, amoral businessmen in communist clothing from the East or medieval psychotics from in-between."

Bloody good post, Meph. I did not know that Blair had removed Critical Analysis from the state curriculum.

I'm recalling some conversations I've had with people - subject matter totally unimportant but those persons were so intransigent, immovable and absolutely sure they were right, that they've stayed in my memory. For example, when talking to BA on the phone about my flight I remarked that I didnt like long flights and this one is going to take xx hours. The young girl at the other end told me several times that I was wrong and that it takes only xx. But, but but I said, it's typed on the itinerary printout - and I've been to NY several times before. No, she just wouldnt have it.

It'sjust, good question. Greater police numbers, action when they see it happening. There seem to have been reports that police stood back and didn't intervene when it was going on, so obviously greater intervention when they see it happening and that the criminals manipulated the situation to their advantage. I do realise this is difficult, with the nature of the crime. Plain clothes police working in crowds? Women were apparently rushing to men and asking if theycould stand with them so it does seem the police abandoned them. Were there not enough forces there that night? It seems so. Why?

I mentioned Oktoberfest earlier and the attacks there are significant. Over a number of years women have been routinely groped there and some have been raped. While the numbers of crimes are different, they are significant as they also seem to point to a lack of response and failure to take the crimes seriously. this suggests that for along time the women of Germany and the crimes that happen to them have not been taken seriously. The protesters in Cologne seem to reflect this anger as they state that they are angry at the lack of action re sexual violence in the past, in addition to the recent attacks.

It isn't right to simple blame the police, but as I mentioned before, sexual violence appears to thrive in communities where there are no serious consequences for sexual violence. If police inaction and low convictions rates in courts are a pattern in Germany, then it seems the conditions for these attacks do exist in Germany and must be addressed,which includes addressing policing and the blaming of women rather than putting the criminals in jail.

Emily: "The UK hasn't taken EVERYONE as refugees has it? The numbers are pitifully small actually. It ought to, but Cameron they haven't, they have swerved their responsibility, as have many European countries."

No, the numbers are NOT pitifully small. Germany is much, much larger than GB and we have accepted far too many immigrants as it is, even before Syria. Any nation's first responsibility is to its own people, its own country. New infrastructure should have been in place years ago, based on immigration figures. But it was not and now it is not just a "difficult" situation, it is a red alert situation.

Three neighbours' young children cannot find a nursery school place. Two other neighbours children have not even been given their 4th choice of junior school. Why should they not be able to walk to their local school, but they cannot. That's how bad it is in just one aspect.

Claig, Viktor Orban is a fascist that allowed refugees and to suffer. He refused to allow medical care for refugees and a baby was born dead.

He wants to build a statue to honour a Nazi war criminal. He also emplys people to rewrite the Hungarian role in the holocaust out of history.

Orbán doesn't care about democracy, he has done everything he can to stifle it in Hungary and has taken control of the media to squash oppostion parties.

He doesn't listen to 'the people.' NOt really. He has noticed how the terrifying Jobbik, something akin to neo Nazis, that terrorise Roma communities and have a 'list' of Jews they want to ban rom Hungary, have become popular with some of the Hungarian population and consequentlymixed some of their scary far right policies with his own, but that's about it.

The only good thing about Orban uis that he isn't Jobbik, but he is edging ever closer and closer.

Women's Rights - diminishing
Free Speech - gone
? What's next I wonder.