Quick Poll: EU stay or leave?

[BlueSmarties76]

Would you vote to stay or leave the EU?

Quick poll.

WRT Scotland their independence referendum was predicated on their ability to stand on their own two feet and finance free university places, expanded social benefits, free prescriptions and all the other free stuff the SNP were banging on about based on the price of North Sea oil. I'd like to see them try and sell that to the Scottish people now the the price of oil has tumbled from $130 a barrel to $30!

Bungo: I have explained above exactly how employers can now get away with offering rubbish terms and conditions for their employees. Disposable commodities, another worker pops up . The company owner keeps the profits, or if floated company profits go to shareholders etc . Profits squeezing down on people at the bottom of the chain not the top.

Surely you've seen it in practice everywhere? Eg building industry - team of Polish builders working at cheaper rate, living in shared accommodation so no need to maintain lifestyle as such - can dip in and out of the economy.

How is that helping any British worker? Nothing's gone down in price, the profits are shared out higher up by the owner of the building company. The British builder isn't helped, no one being trained in the job investing in younger people at that company as they expect new generation of migrant workers to step in when that one is burned out.

Bosnia have applied to join EU today with nearly 50% unemployment. Turkey in talks to join.

Why would anyone want their children's future heading this way?

See Gisela Stuart (labour MP) talking about labour's misguided clinging to EU. She says that yes back in the 80s there were some needing improvements to employment law - but nothing since then has benefitted any workers here. She was on Andrew Marr yesterday - perhaps download she is voting out, as being German, she understands the purpose behind the EU project and doesn't believe it benefits Britain.

Parliamentary sovereignty - a court can't overrule elected representatives of government, our elected MPs. If we don't agree with those MPs we can vote them out at next election.

However, we have unelected people making rules in Brussels which cannot be challenged, as funny enough the European court upholds those rules, just not the ones of an elected parliament in a country like Britain.

You know, like how democracy works and how the EU doesn't.

I agree Oldzebra, why why why? so their dc can get cheap flights to the EU? maddness.

it goes further than even whats in your post.

As would any decent business school education or even a regular browse through the business pages of a broadsheet rather than DM

This comment makes me shudder with fear.

Really?

You think anyone who wants out - is being fed by the DM? Its cross party and there is plenty for fodder on this across all the papers with arguments both for and against.

That comment makes me think your perhaps ...I don't know...limited in thinking [struggling to phrase it] and you get an opportunity to vote I suspect

So anyone who disagrees with your view is 'suspect'? How very limited. And insulting. I will definitely be exercising my vote.

Oh sorry, "limited" Top debate. Not.

I see Prince William has had his say, I thought the Royal Family were supposed to remain impartital on matters like this?

Thanks celeste, hadn't seen that. He seems to be dropping heavy hints that we should stay in the EU. Britain has "always been an outward-looking nation" and "has a proud tradition of seeking out allies" etc. But actually we can still make collaborations with other countries, perhaps even better, if we leave the EU.

I'd hazard the guess that Scots want out of the UK because it is increasingly nothing more than a London city-state, run by the incredibly rich for the sole benefit of the incredibly rich. And then stay in the EU because of the trade benefits to a small country. This 100000% :D. Pahahahaha that the Scots hate the English. Yh ok, thats it. We hate you. Actually only the 27% that voted Tory Thats a joke btw.

Well the Scots don't want out of the Uk, do they? So we were only talking about the motivation for the half that does. (If it is half now that they've new reason to feel offended by their treatment by the UK but the oil price has fallen off a cliff).

Not that I want to derail this thread but there was a recent poll done asking Scots opinions on independence in event of a Brexit. It was yes by 58%. (It may be a surprise to non yes voters but oil was never a main motivational factor for voting yes, or certainly not the be all and end all). Im not sure what the motivation for all but only 26% of Scots would vote to leave the EU, so there is definitely some motivation to stay in the EU. But I know what motivates me personally to stay in the EU. P.S. I dont hate England or any of its inhabitants

LEAVE.
Unelected, unaccountable, not secure.

I think the Vote will go: Leave (I hope so!)

But then I live in Scotland and if the vote is to Leave, then the SNP will call another IndyRef and Europe will be a big part of it (Scotland to stay).

That would be unbearable...

Bungo: I have explained above exactly how employers can now get away with offering rubbish terms and conditions for their employees. Disposable commodities, another worker pops up .

This is what it boils down to isn't it. You think that all of these problems are due to the migrants, and that leaving the EU will stop them. I do not like the amount of immigration we have in an overpopulated island, but 1) let's get it out of the way first cos it's simpler, will leaving the EU stop that in the current migrant crisis? 2nd, I think the current problems are political choices taking advantage of the 2008 financial crisis to deliberately push the interests of the business/ political rich elite and would have happened anyway regardless of immigration.

Once again, it is Britain that is the most unequal country in EU, and where inequality is growing fastest: it is not Britain that has had to take the largest quantity of immigrants, either absolute (Germany) or by capita (Sweden). How do you explain that disconnect? The financial crisis itself was caused by an overreliance on financial fictions. These are all UK government choices, not the EUs.

The business about wanting to deport criminals, yes I can understand that but I think the problem there is legal frameworks around Human Rights that we would still be bound by without the EU.

Looking at the Brugesgroup website, again leaving the EU is cast in terms of ridding us of petty EU rules and letting London financial sector do what it wants. Those petty rules are our worker and environmental protections, and we can already see what letting the London financial sector off the leash will mean for the rest of the country. A vote to leave the EU is a vote in favour of the continued ever-more-extreme growth in inequality, in favour if the rich privileged elite against ordinary folks, in favour of London financial fictions' freedom to bankrupt the rest of us, as far as I can see. I haven't seen one single point to convince me otherwise.

The mere fact that two of the most prominent eurosceptics are Iain Duncan Smith and George Osbourne should give most people pause for thought. I don't know what Cameron's game is, I used to think of him as a mere schoolboy/ playboy with an idiotic grin and an occasional good 'concerned face', but maybe he's shaping up a bit.

A vote for leaving the EU is also a vote for splitting the country. Which matters more to you, Britain or the well-off SE and London? If the latter, Scotland will leave, then probably Wales and the north of England. We'll take a massive financial hit initially but will gain democracy, freedom, and an economy rebuilding on reality. London will be desperate for food and water by itself.

Leave. Though I must admit to having dual nationality with another EU country so it won't mean as much to me personally.

For me personally, with a business in the EU (not the UK), I'd be better served if Britain were to stay in. Otherwise it will be a tangle of paperwork and even more complicated taxes. However, I think its my upfront and personal experience of the EU that makes me say that Britain would be well out of it.

I see left wing luvvy Emma Thompson has come out in favour of staying in the EU which is absolutely her right but she then goes on to call the UK a ‘tiny cake-filled misery-laden’ island and a 'little cloud-bolted, rainy corner' of Europe.

I only have one thing to say to her - fuck off then if you hate it so much.

left wing luvvy Emma Thompson

And I don't suppose she'll be the last. What bugs me is why actors and other entertainment types think anyone gives a flying fuck what they think? I'm betting that the next self-important arse to give their unwanted opinion will be Benedict bloody Cumberbatch.

Hey Emma Thompson has got 2 Oscars!!

Couldn't agree more juneau. I'm placing a bet on the next one being the nonentity Russel Brand.

She can stick her oscars where the sun don't shine, preferably sideways

Oh she can act, I'm not arguing with that, but that's what she should stick to doing.

LOL at Russell Brand being next. I expect you're right rorty

To be fair, they wouldn't share their (irrelevant and out of touch) opinions if the media didn't bother to publish them, and they wouldn't do that if we didn't read them.

I've never understood why being a good actor (which means a blank canvas) gives you any special insight into anything except acting. Beyond that, they are just the same as us: one person - one vote.

I don't mind hearing from the occasional celeb, for example if they're on Question Time and happen to be knowledgeable on the subject. But if every celeb wants to put in their two pence worth we'll hear way more from them than those who know the subject inside out. The EU issue isn't entertainment and I'd like to hear the most from politicians, business owners, quality journalists and economists etc.

Surely the point is, rightly or wrongly, some people will listen to them and take on board whatever points they are making. And if people are gonna listen, then they are perfectly entitled to view their opinion (within the confines of free speech). And if the media somehow think there is a buck to be made by publicising it, then why would they not?