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Is it wrong to wear fur?

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fortyplus · 12/12/2006 08:47

I have launched a fairly venomous attack on Xenia, glibly implying that 10,000 of you will agree with me. Here are some 'edited highlights' of what started it...

By Xenia on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 8:45:30 ...The girls have a huge range of interests (including intimate knowledge of London nightclubs.. I think one got into conversation with a famous chef at ChinaWhite one night when he ought to have been dealing with his children and being with his wife, rather than chatting up pretty blondes wearing fur?.)

By aliceband on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 8:55:19 PM
wearing fur?

By Xenia on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 9:00:13
Fur... of course. Surely from my posts you could tell my family would wear fur? 160,000 vicunas now roam Peru I think it is because they had been dying out but then were farmed for their fur. It saved the species and yet Blair bans fur farming. There is no hope but thankfully the planet is big and the world our oyster.
Later...
Did you mean I wasn't clear on fur ro you think we can wear leather shoes and murder plants but not something that looks sweet and fluffy (unless it's a calf in which case then it's okay to kill it but only if the skin is a by-product even though we no more need to eat meat than we need to wear skins)? Thankfully a week today I will be somewhere amongst many fur wearers and away from the warped collective British conscience.
By Queenmummy on Monday, 11 December, 2006 3:25:09 PMOne of these days Xenia will disappear up her own a**e and suffocate herself (hopefully before she bores us all to tears with the one track argument we are all fed up with listening to. Xenia - if you really are a well-rounded and interesting person, how about talking about something new besides than this dull and done to death SAHM/WOHM thing......

By fortyplus on Tuesday, 12 December, 2006 12:00:26 AM
I take back what I said about Xenia's views being to the left of Attila the Hun.

Abhorrence of the fur trade has nothing to do with whether animals look cute & fluffy, Xenia. It's all about the pain and suffering caused to the animals and stupid bitches wanting to look like prostitutes quite happy to wear the skin of a big cat that's been killed by having a red hot poker stuffed up its anus so as not to mark the skin.

You say that you've 'worked hard to fit in' with British society since coming to this country.

You haven't got a clue. Why do you think that out of 10,000 people on mumsnet the only one who consistently agrees with you is mohze?

Your smug, sanctimonious opinions are despised by every apparently decent person on this site.

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laneydaye · 13/12/2006 17:14

Some animals that are trapped will die from their injuries, in acute pain or from starvation. Those that survive until the trapper returns are usually beaten to death or simply stood or stomped on; bullets are not used to kill trapped animals because they damage the fur.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:15

Does she have an off button?

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:16

What about grey squirrels Cliff?

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:18

Think I'll have a KFC for tea tonight, their chickens are finger lickin' good!

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:18

Grey squirrels are scum - but they do make lovely rugs!

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:20

you know I read somewhere that Inuit used lemming skins as erm sanitary protection ..I think they were dead lemmings. Perhaps you could wait at the bottom of a cliff & collect them.

That would be humane, or maybe more humane to stand at the top of the cliff & counsel them. moral dilemma.

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 17:20

The arguments against fur were lost by poor argument on the thread but I still am glad people have views. It's when they don't that things are dull.

My island - I don't want to say where it is. It's not too far from the equator. I want to build on it. I know someone who bought one in the same group and they've cut a lot of trees down and planted crops and built a helicopter landing pad, but I don't want to do that. The local agent suggested putting deer on it but again you could destroy the environment. I suspect it will never have been lived on (it's 25 acres and no river/lakes) so will be exactly as whenever it emerged from the trees. (No animals with fur on it to my knowledge but two bird colonies and the snake I saw....)

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:21

Snakes make lovely belts and if you eat their beating hearts, it makes you all randy, apparently.

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 17:22

I've looked at temporary kind of big tent/camp things but they don't look sound enough to leave. Another thing might be those kind of kit houses you transport on. I looked at those lovely houses on stilts you get in the Maldives but apparently it's expensive to do the undersea work to get the poles solid. Looks like it will just have to be me with my axe.

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 17:22

One worrying trend is the increase in the number of garments being made from or trimmed with rabbit fur. Many shoppers are either unaware that the fur on these garments is real or are led to believe that rabbit fur is a 'by-product' of the meat industry and therefore the same ethical issues that surround other types of animal fur do not apply. This is simply not the case.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:22

JanH's ds has a lovely snake, all cuddly and lovable!

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:23

now have you read David Attenborough's comments about the demise of Papau New Guinean Birds of Paradise due to tribal dress?

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:23

They eat lots of rabbits in France so I suppose they are just making sure the fur doesn't go to waste!

I once had a stew with a rabbit's ear in it just to prove that it was actually a rabbit stew!

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 17:24

I think it was asleep, the snake. Its body was as big as my thigh so I made a hasty retreat. I took a photo and a video picture. I suppose it might have been dead but I don't think so. Presumably it and any others lives on the dead birds and eggs. If I kill it and any others that could affect the whole ecological balance of the place. The person near by has put a kind of net under the sea to stop sharks coming too close so her children can swim off hers. Safety is one of my main issues having children etc.

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:24

& are shoes advertised as pony fur made from real ponies?

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:25

So just the poisonous jellyfish to deal with then!

They might make good lampshades - do you think?

GlennCloseAsCruellaDeVille · 13/12/2006 17:26

the list of shops which don't sell fur is extensive..the major (or only department store that does) is Harrods

it is surprising that it is not more frowned on here by the hoi polloi

Xenia did you see that programme about the woman who bought the island off nicaragua?

You and an axe would be scary...

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:27

yes sharks could be a problem Xenia. I believe they may be endangered, what's your stance on Shagreen?

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:28

Xenia is endangered and I think we should start a fund to save her!

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:35

bog off CLiff she's loaded

I think she's going to hide away on her island & plot world domination a la James Bond.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:37

Yes but how many people do you know like Xenia? She's one of a kind, there can't be many like her therefore she must be endangered!

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:39

should we start a captive breeding programme?

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:41

Well if they all move onto this island we can seal it off and prevent any outside influences.

Get the internet taken off her before she becomes unduly influenced by it and alters her behavourial pattern!

kittyschristmascrackers · 13/12/2006 17:42

Sounds lovely Xenia, good luck to you. If she can afford it, what's the problem?

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 17:44

The fur industry goes to great lengths to hide the horrendous cruelty involved, but many undercover investigations have produced detailed evidence showing the terrible suffering of these animals, both in the way they are kept and in the way they are killed.