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Is it wrong to wear fur?

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fortyplus · 12/12/2006 08:47

I have launched a fairly venomous attack on Xenia, glibly implying that 10,000 of you will agree with me. Here are some 'edited highlights' of what started it...

By Xenia on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 8:45:30 ...The girls have a huge range of interests (including intimate knowledge of London nightclubs.. I think one got into conversation with a famous chef at ChinaWhite one night when he ought to have been dealing with his children and being with his wife, rather than chatting up pretty blondes wearing fur?.)

By aliceband on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 8:55:19 PM
wearing fur?

By Xenia on Sunday, 10 December, 2006 9:00:13
Fur... of course. Surely from my posts you could tell my family would wear fur? 160,000 vicunas now roam Peru I think it is because they had been dying out but then were farmed for their fur. It saved the species and yet Blair bans fur farming. There is no hope but thankfully the planet is big and the world our oyster.
Later...
Did you mean I wasn't clear on fur ro you think we can wear leather shoes and murder plants but not something that looks sweet and fluffy (unless it's a calf in which case then it's okay to kill it but only if the skin is a by-product even though we no more need to eat meat than we need to wear skins)? Thankfully a week today I will be somewhere amongst many fur wearers and away from the warped collective British conscience.
By Queenmummy on Monday, 11 December, 2006 3:25:09 PMOne of these days Xenia will disappear up her own a**e and suffocate herself (hopefully before she bores us all to tears with the one track argument we are all fed up with listening to. Xenia - if you really are a well-rounded and interesting person, how about talking about something new besides than this dull and done to death SAHM/WOHM thing......

By fortyplus on Tuesday, 12 December, 2006 12:00:26 AM
I take back what I said about Xenia's views being to the left of Attila the Hun.

Abhorrence of the fur trade has nothing to do with whether animals look cute & fluffy, Xenia. It's all about the pain and suffering caused to the animals and stupid bitches wanting to look like prostitutes quite happy to wear the skin of a big cat that's been killed by having a red hot poker stuffed up its anus so as not to mark the skin.

You say that you've 'worked hard to fit in' with British society since coming to this country.

You haven't got a clue. Why do you think that out of 10,000 people on mumsnet the only one who consistently agrees with you is mohze?

Your smug, sanctimonious opinions are despised by every apparently decent person on this site.

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dara · 13/12/2006 12:48

I posted those 'nonexistent' comment in my last post ffs.
It's always the same, whatever the topic. A total one-trick pony.

GlennCloseAsCruellaDeVille · 13/12/2006 12:48

glad you liked the link Xenia

as for it being docotored it seemed a pretty regular piece of dt journalism to me

essentially it reflects the change of heart of many people since fur was more widely hated

anyone who didn't dare open it doesn't your computer give you an idea what a link is when you hover over it..if it had been a docotored horrific photo I would have said so

give me some credibility for goodness sake and don't make assumptions

and also have the decency to understand that because one person says something about stoning it doesn't mean it's a point of view shared by any one else

kittyschristmascrackers · 13/12/2006 12:53

Dara, what's a one trick pony here? I don't get your gist.

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 14:34

I didn't think it was doctored. Interesting article.

Agree about perfectly possible to keep rabbits etc without hurting them. In the war my father kept them for meat and used to cure the skins. That's no more cruel than breeding lambs. I had lamp yesterday for lunch. I didn't ask the chef where it came from.

On the fur/stay at home mother connection - laughing as I type... I suppose we could say the stay at home mothers who rely on their husband's economic activity to live may be bought furs as material rewards for their giving domestic and sexual services to the man. Classic gift from rich man to girl was always furs. Even better if he's hunted it down.. nice macho images coming to mind. I don't think I'll be a feminist this afternoon.

Or you could say going out to work gives you the chance to earn your own money to buy your own furs or breed your own animals for fur abroad (you can't breed them for fur in the UK any more).

What about plants by the way? There is some evidence they can feel something. It's an interesting topic.

GlennCloseAsCruellaDeVille · 13/12/2006 14:54

|Iknow you didn't think it was docotored Xenia

it was this post that I took exception to " By speedySleighmamahohoho on Wednesday, 13 December, 2006 11:02:45 AM

I don't look at those links Glen because something tells me it has been purposely doctored to look even more horrific than it already is.

If I want to see horrific, I'll watch Planet Earth, e.g. in one episode, a group of apes attacked another group, stole one of the children, killed it and the whole group ate it. That's mother nature for you. "

The SAHM/WOHM thing and husband/wife/partner/partner relationships surely the economic unit is both partners so it is disingenuous to talk of the one providing the economic stability in favour of the unit..both are contributing.

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 15:15

Yes, I know although there is the classic feminist analysis woman gives sex for money equals traditional marriage. I don't want to go inot that again. I couldn't bear to live off a man's money but that's just how I am . Many women actively seek to make that their life's aim to find someone who can afford to support them so they don't work outside the home.

southeastastra · 13/12/2006 15:15

hope your lamp was free range xenia

dara · 13/12/2006 15:35

yawn.

Judy1234 · 13/12/2006 15:40

Some people pick their lamb from the field so they know where it's come from. I don't like animals to suffer but I don't have time to shop around, don't buy organic, although I'll preserve the rainforest on my island. hen the local agent said we should "take out " (shoot) the large snake I saw I didn't agree. You have to look at what that would do to the balance of the other wildlife there and before we take any action on that I'd have to look at that carefully.

GlennCloseAsCruellaDeVille · 13/12/2006 15:42

eh ..lost me now..what island? John Donne or a piece of isolated real estate you are investing in?

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 16:39

the fake fur talk reminds me of the nickname my brother's uni housemates gave my mum for wearing a fake fur coat - I mean wombles aren't really glamourous are they?..

as for the cruelty involved in duck down production expat

my veggie dp insists on synthetic duvets..but they make me less sneezy anyway..ho hum

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 16:45

no monkeytrousers this is extreme.....
over 50million animals are killed every year for the fashion industry.....

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 16:47

I just love my kitten fur coat, it goes so well with the hamster handbag!

kittyschristmascrackers · 13/12/2006 16:49

I reckon they both had it coming cliff.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 16:55

I've got my eye on some dalamation puppies across the road, apparently there's 101 of them - just enough to make a lovely fur coat methinks!

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 16:57

I still say the grey squirrels deserve it more.cute & pesky little buggers.

oh yeah & we have a local news story about foxes chewing through brake cables & putting peoples lives in danger, I think fox fur may become de rigeur round here.(perish the thought)

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 16:57

More than 130,000 animals slaughtered every day so someone can wear their coats...

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 16:58

There are loads of rats going spare - why not have rat fur coats?

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 17:00

Animals are kept in long rows of barren wire cages in open-sided sheds. A typical cage for a mink measures 24" long by 10" wide, whilst an arctic fox will be confined in a cage measuring on average 40" by 40". These barren prisons, scarcely bigger than the animals themselves, is where they will spend their entire lives.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:01

As opposed to loads of prisoners of war.

I still think rat coat would be a good idea!

laneydaye · 13/12/2006 17:03

Most mink are killed by gassing or lethal injection. Some are clubbed to death or have their necks broken. Foxes are most commonly electrocuted; one electrode is inserted into the animal's rectum and another into its mouth. The fox generally does not lose consciousness for between one and two minutes, and animals may later revive only to have to then undergo this cruelty again. The main reason for selecting these killing methods is to ensure that the fur is not damaged. Those carrying out the killing need no training or qualifications.

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:07

yes the rat coat could be very popular in London (squirrels are tree rats by the way - not that I want to labour the point), but rat poison isn't a nice way to die I don't think - though I hear some of the little buggers are developing a tolerance to it.

rats also edible so no waste...hmm

GlennCloseAsCruellaDeVille · 13/12/2006 17:12

no reply as to where this island is then??

doyouwantfrankincensewiththat · 13/12/2006 17:12

just read the Telegraph article - she had a squirrel coat (maybe the red squirrel could come back) - but the allergy thing....there is a rise in the incidence of asthma in London, probably won't be a problem in the cool clean air of the swiss alps though.

fwiw - I do prefer my animals alive & fluffy though.

CliffRichardSucksEggsinHell · 13/12/2006 17:14

Just thinking of the abuse of human rights and mass torture going on in many countries right now, got to get these things into perspective after all.

I don't think you are winning any converts here laneydaye - those who wear fur know all of this and still choose to wear it, those of us who don't also know all of this and choose not to wear it.

Apart from ratfur, I might wear that!