Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

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I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

UKIP Steven Woolfe's "plan".

Apart from the self-aggrandisement, "Today, I??m calling for a proactive, long term, international solution in Syria, to tackle Islamic State (IS) head on", and the spin, "However, I don??t write this as a politician, I write it as a father" that makes Woolfe seem like UKIP's answer to Yvette Cooper, his "plan" is generaly sensible. But for Gawd's sake bring back Farage. He is the only British politician who is not politically correct and who speaks common sense. If politically correct Woolfe is UKIP's future, I'm outta here. He'll be saying "climate change" is the massive problem next, just like Yvette Cooper.

"My plan for Syria: keep Assad in power, deploy ground troops and send back the refugees

As bad as Bashar al-Assad is, he could restore stability and allow us to forge a long term solution to the refugee crisis"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11851339/plan-for-Syria-keep-Assad-in-power-deploy-ground-troops-and-send-back-the-refugees.html

Meanwhile, Cameron says

"David Cameron says 'hard military force' needed to tackle Assad and Isis

In response to a question in PMQs on the refugee crisis, Cameron signalled start of a campaign for greater British military involvement in Syria"

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/09/david-cameron-says-hard-military-force-needed-to-tackle-assad-and-isis

Claig ??. Re UKIP Steven Woolfe??s plans;

"My plan for Syria: keep Assad in power, deploy ground troops and send back the refugees.??

??As bad as Bashar al-Assad is, he could restore stability and allow us to forge a long term solution to the refugee crisis"

Isn??t that a typical UKIP purple nationalistic sticking plaster?

• Deploy western troops/force to keep refugees in Syria, and as nationalists, send those back that have escaped 45-years of oppression.

• Support any dictatorship, no matter what his methods/record, especially if supported by Putin and Russia??s interests.

"Isn't that a typical UKIP purple nationalistic sticking plaster?"

Modernisers like you would call it that, the people would call it common sense.

The Qatari/Saudi pipeline has to go through Syria. Isis and the Jihadis have taken large portions of Syria off of Assad. The pipeline will most probably go through those captured areas of Syria.

Cameron is using what he said is a hearts and head approach, as it is clear at least 75% of Syria??s 23 million citizens who are Sunnis can not wind back a 45 year clock of oppression (the last 4-years of which have been murderous)and EVER live under an Assad regime.

So what was a Middle East regional problem, is now ALSO a European one, but clearly not a Russian humanitarian one, as until their long association with the wellbeing of Syria translates to bringing in to Russia millions of refugees ?? to urgently help bolster a dying population of depressed, inbred piss heads ?? there has to be some leadership to address the REASONS why Syria will continue until there are 23 million Syrian nomads wanting a permanent new home outside Syria.

??Alcohol and suicide to halve crisis-hit Russian population??
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4537989.ece

There is a huge difference to STARTING a Middle East war on some western Pan-American crusade, based on a made up dossier by a UK PM??s spin doctor, versus FINALLY trying to help an Arab population 4-years after their leader started a war on them with the view of killing, or removing them from their own country.

The FIRST step in order to stop Syria being hollowed out of its population, give the Syrian people some protection from both Assad and ISIS, and give some relief to the surrounding States currently putting up 4 million Syrians ?? is (as I??ve heard Cameron allude to) in the creations of Syrian SAFE ZONES, protected by the U.N.

The question is will the likes of Labour, the SNP, Lib Dems and a UKIP bunch of Russian kiss-arses, support any attempt at a lasting and peaceful solution FOR the Syrian people, if military action is needed.

Currently we have a potential new Labour leader who does wants NATO disbanded and the funding of our army (via taxes) optional.

We have an SNP who want to give up the UK's nuclear deterrent costing around ??100 bil over 30 odd years, just as Putin is looking to go back to the Cold War by flexing his muscles globally.

And we have a UKIP leader who would just continue to sit back and applaud Putin's world domination handywork;

??Why I admire Putin, by Farage: Ukip leader praises Russian President as superb 'operator' who has outwitted the West??

?? Ukip leader Nigel Farage has praised Russian President Putin
?? He said he didn't approve of his politics, but personally admired him
?? He said his handling of the Syrian civil war had been 'brilliant'
?? Russia was criticised for propping up tyrannical leader Bashar Al-Assad
?? Last year Al-Assad used poison gas against his own civilians

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593006/Why-I-admire-Putin-Farage-Ukip-leader-praises-Russian-President-superb-operator-outwitted-West.html

??Nigel Farage today names Vladimir Putin as a political hero, saying his handling of the brutal civil war in Syria has been ??brilliant??.??

??The praise for Russia??s handling of the Syria crisis will raise fresh controversy, given Moscow??s role in propping up the hated regime of tyrant Bashar al-Assad.??

??Russia is even accused of assisting the supply of chemical weapons that were used by the Assad regime in a barbaric against innocent civilians, including children, last year.??

??However, even Russia??s harshest critics acknowledge Moscow then played a strong diplomatic hand to head off the threat of retaliatory strikes by the West on its ally.??

P.S. I wonder if all the citizens of Syria equally share Mr Farage's admiration for a Russia (and Iran) continued support for Assad, no matter how many of his own citizens he kills?

P.P.S. Next time you want to discuss leadership and get party political, I suggest you pick YOUR battles with more care. x

'to urgently help bolster a dying population of depressed, inbred piss heads'

Can you refrain from referring to an entire nation's people in such a derogatory fashion and projecting your own situation onto them?

claig ... thank you for defending the Russian nation, as here in the UK we have a saying; Hook, line and sinker.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
"Just after 9pm each day, a long line of workers files out of 55 Savushkina Street, a modern four-storey office complex with a small sign outside that reads ??Business centre??. Having spent 12 hours in the building, the workers are replaced by another large group, who will work through the night."

"The nondescript building has been identified as the headquarters of Russia??s ??troll army??, where hundreds of paid bloggers work round the clock to flood Russian internet forums, social networks and the comments sections of western publications with remarks praising the president, Vladimir Putin, and raging at the depravity and injustice of the west."

That is all you have got. No reasoning, no logic, no knowledge, just accusations of trollery. It stems from a deep lack of knowledge and a need to undertake a basic Politics 101 course at a further education establishment, if you are able to satisfy their minimum educational entry requirements.

The Russian art of repartee.... non existent.

On this subject of Syria, I have fully explained my views on the problems of the Syrian people, while your posts both seem to ignore their plight and keep Assad in at all costs no matter what his record is - and worrying about a POTENTIAL gas pipeline from western friendly Gulf countries to the West - that would undermine Russia (and Irans) power/interests.

Meanwhile politically supporting a far left Corbyn, and his 1970's pro Maxist, pre Thatcher throwback politics, and a far right UKIP that looked to destroy the Conservative Party and break up the EU - speaking more passionately of the former, when your previous 'cover' was that you voted Conservative until 2010.

YOU don't add up, you ARE Putin's agenda.

'On this subject of Syria, I have fully explained my views on the problems of the Syrian people, while your posts both seem to ignore their plight '

I have said that Assad is better than the alternative of the assorted Jihadis, just like Rod Liddle said in the Spectator

"If I could see, two years back, that Assad was infinitely preferable to the majority of those people who took arms against him, then why couldn??t our politicians?"

and just as MP Crispin Blunt, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, says that moderate Sunnis prefer

"the regime also enjoyed support from Syria's minorities as well as the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam."

I want the war and suffering ended and for people to be able to return to their homes. I don't care what the rich oil backers of the Qatari/Saudi pipeline want since their support for the Jihadis has led to the death ol hundreds and thousands of people and the suffering of millions. It's about morality, about doing the right thing, about principles, something which Jeremy Corbyn and Farage have in spades. Crispin Blunt says

"It is time to acknowledge that among our priorities and values is the protection of human security through a political solution that ends the violence, even if it creates some difficult moral dilemmas."

It is the moral and the right thing to do - to end the war and end the suffering, whatever it might mean for the oil money men and their pipeline plans.

As the US Armed Forces Journal said

"Much of the media coverage suggests that the conflict in Syria is a civil war, in which the Alawite (Shia) Bashar al Assad regime is defending itself (and committing atrocities) against Sunni rebel factions (who are also committing atrocities). The real explanation is simpler: it is about money."

It's time that human life and morality tool over from money. Corbyn will do it without a doubt and so would Farage.

Claig ... the CURRENT situation is not about who is IN Syria being ruled by 45-years of Assad backed oppression, it is who is currently OUT, who wants to get OUT - and what it will take to make ALL 23 million Syrian citizens to feel secure - so you can quote the last 4-years of westerners with their butts safely OUT of Syria until red in the face, but THAT has to be the objective.

Why do you insist anarchy from whatever means (dressed up as democracy) here in the UK, but not in Syria - wait, we know the answer to that.

'Bashar al-Assad wins re-election in Syria as uprising against him rages on

Assad captures another seven-year term after winning almost 90% of the vote, with polling only held in government-held areas '

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/04/bashar-al-assad-winds-reelection-in-landslide-victory

He couldn't hold the ballot in the areas controlled by the Jihaids as they were too busy implementing Sharia

"Al Qaeda in Syria signals sharia law for captured city

The al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front indicated on Wednesday that a Syrian city captured from the government in recent days would be ruled according to Islamic sharia law but the group would not seek to monopolize power there."

www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/01/us-mideast-crisis-syria-nusra-idUSKBN0MS4GR20150401

But if there was a free, fair democratic election in those regions then I suspect that most people would back Assad over the Jihadis, Muslim Brotherhood and fundamentalists.

As Crispin Blunt said

"the regime also enjoyed support from Syria's minorities as well as the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam."

"I want the war and suffering ended and for people to be able to return to their homes."

Why are you denying 45-year of an Assad father and son human rights Syrian disaster zone, and that after an oppressed Syrian Sunni population (in the spirit of the Arab Spring) peacefully demonstrated for better rights - it was Assad firing on his own people and has been murdering his people ever since?

There is only ONE country that sees a western plot in shopping lists, while in Syria, the people there could justifiably argue that THEY were being murdered to retain Assad in power and thereby support Russia's CURRENT oil/gas interests.

"the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam."

The oli backers of their Jihadi agents don't care about the protection of ordinary people, all they care about is money.

'Why are you denying 45-year of an Assad father and son human rights Syrian disaster zone'

I am not denying it, but Assad is better than the Jihadis

As Crispin Blunt said

"the regime also enjoyed support from Syria's minorities as well as the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam."

and before the instigated 2011 uprising, politicians were happily doing business with Assad and not sanctioning him over human rights. Maybe they even sold him arms before 2011.

There are THREE (four including the Kurds) parties in this conflict, clearly by mentioning "the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam" - Blunt is clearly talking about ISIS.

The 75% of Syrians out of 23 million who are Sunni, are clearly not Islamic fundamentalists, especially when Sunni ISIS is thought the number 30,000 - do the math.

'The 75% of Syrians out of 23 million who are Sunni, are clearly not Islamic fundamentalists, especially when Sunni ISIS is thought the number 30,000 - do the math.'

Of course they aren't and Blunt says the more secular elements want protection from the fundamentalist Islamists, but they aren't getting that.

"the regime also enjoyed support from Syria's minorities as well as the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam."

claig ... give me quotes with SOLUTIONS how to make those 75% of Syrian citizens that are Sunni feel safe and trust an Assad - not what those know nothing numb-nuts outside think would suit the superpowers (and the UK lol).

There is no support for Al Nusra, Al Qaeda, Isis and the other Jihadists from ordinary Syrians; only the oil money men support and fund them.

'give me quotes with SOLUTIONS '

Quotes don't bring solutions, peace does, which is why Crispin Blunt, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, says

"Demanding Assad??s removal, without recognising the complexities, is not the best way to conduct foreign policy. Assad has so far survived the challenge of both the Free Syrian Army supported by the liberal democracies, and the Islamist based movements, such as the Nusra Front.

It is time to acknowledge that among our priorities and values is the protection of human security through a political solution that ends the violence, even if it creates some difficult moral dilemmas."

Quotes and words and spin don't provide solutions for people, a peace deal does.

claig .... you really are some apparatchik trying to turn the page 'outing' your masters by regurgitating the same quotes, post after post.

"There is no support for Al Nusra, Al Qaeda, Isis and the other Jihadists from ordinary Syrians; only the oil money men support and fund them."

I talk about the 16 million plus moderate Sunni Syrians citizens, you give that shit above - and CONTINUE to ignore the Assads 45-year old record.