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Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

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Whoknewitcouldbeso · 04/09/2015 15:04

I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

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claig · 31/10/2015 01:22

'So how on Assad’s scorched earth can a President who only really represents less than 20% of his citizens (as directly, or indirectly through his mercenaries, he tried to kill the rest), be expected to WIN a fair election??'

Because he already won the last election (where voting took place in camps in Lebanon etc) because the people prefer to live in a secular state with a government that provided good education thatn in a Mislim Brotherhood Wahhabi funded Islamic state with beheaders and Free Syrrian Army (called the "moderates") heart eating cannibals.

'Clearly if Assad’s supporters believe they’ll get a result when in a fair election he could only be assured of 1 in 5 votes'

He will get much more than that and he will win, which is why the Saudis an Jihadi backers keep insisting he must go immediately because they know he will win. He was popular and that is why the Jihadi funders and backers failed in their 5 year war to topple him. They messed up and didn't understanbd that the people prepared Assad to Turkish backed Muslim brotherhood and Jihadi funders who backed Isis or "moderate" heart eating cannibals.

Cameron said that Assad should be removed by "hard force" but the US has decided to ease up on Assad and is no longer opposed to him playing an "interim" role in the future of Syria.

It is all over, Putin ended it and will sove Germany's problem because the refugees will have to go back to Syria. Turkey lost, the Saudis lost and the Qataris and French lost. Assad, Russia and Iran won and the US has accepted the new reality and will probably do a deal which will leave the warmongers high and dry.

claig · 31/10/2015 01:28

Turkey has an elkection on Sunday where Erdogan may not make it which would mean that the whole backing of the war against Assad by Jihadis might have to end and the Kurds may be helped instead and there are reports that Saudi Arabia may go bankrupt in a few years' time.

"Saudi Arabia may go broke before the US oil industry buckles"

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11768136/Saudi-Arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-US-oil-industry-buckles.html

It's all over.Obama has played a blinder, he has done a deal with Iran and outwitted the warmongers trying to push him to topple Assad with more force.

Isitmebut · 31/10/2015 01:53

""Saudi Arabia may go broke before the US oil industry buckles"

Big deal, that is the Saudi Arabian oil industry versus the U.S over years; according to the Russian Finance Minister Siluanov, in Russia versus the Saudi Arabian oil industry, war mongerer Russia is financially fecked within a year.

”Russia's Reserve Fund could run empty in 2016”
www.cnbc.com/2015/10/27/russias-reserve-fund-could-run-empty-in-2016.html

”Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov prompted more concerns over the health of the Russian economy Tuesday when he said there was a danger that the country's vast Reserve Fund could be entirely exhausted in 2016 if oil prices stay at their current level.”

”He told members of the upper house of parliament that if oil prices stayed around the current level of just below $50 a barrel and the dollar exchange rate remained unchanged, the budget may fail to receive 900 billion rubles ($14.14 billion) in revenues, Russian news agency TASS reported Tuesday.”

"Our reserves volume [in 2015] will decrease by approximately 2.6 trillion rubles ($40.85 billion) - more than half," Siluanov said, according to TASS.

"This means that 2016 is the last year when we are able to spend our reserves that way. After that we will not have such resources," he warned.”

So based on a Russian Reserves and Saudi Reserves pissing contest, Putin's willy will soon be running on empty.

”Has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund peaked?”
www.cnbc.com/2015/10/27/has-the-worlds-largest-sovereign-wealth-fund-peaked.html

”Sovereign wealth funds control around $7 trillion of assets, largely created through investing natural resource revenues. After Norway, oil rich Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia manage in the region of $770 billion and $670 billion respectively, according to data from Sovereign Wealth Fund Institute.”

Still, either you didn't get the Russia is fecked memo, or it was a good attempt at misinformation propaganda; either way its worth a hearty guffaw.

claig · 31/10/2015 09:01

Good CNBC articles and a good post by you for once.

There is no doubt that Russia is being hit hard by the oil price drop and the sanctions etc. There are very clever people trying to bring Russia down in order to force regime change so that the country can be looted like it was under Yeltsin in order to keep the world financial system going. Will it work? Possibly.

"While we have been watching the Islamic State and discussing Iran, something much bigger is happening in the world. We are witnessing a historic fall in the price of oil, down more than 50 percent in less than a year. When a similar drop happened in the 1980s, the Soviet Union collapsed. What will it mean now?
...
Many American experts and commentators have hoped for low oil prices as a way to deprive unsavory regimes around the globe of easy money. Now it’s happening, but at a speed that might produce enormous turmoil and uncertainty in an already anxious world."

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-consequences-of-the-oil-bust/2015/08/20/7c98defe-4770-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

Isitmebut · 31/10/2015 17:22

Oil hit around $147 a barrel several years ago, over a year ago in was $110, I showed predictions it could touch $20 with such a soft global economy - its hardly news and clearly more a problem for Russia for the moment - as without oil, there is sod all else to keep the country lights on.

Clearly if Putin behaved re the Ukraine, the western sanctions could be lifted e.g. to help Russian banks finance 'stuff', so the balls in his court.

claig · 31/10/2015 17:42

Putin got the Ukraine problem because he refused to let the beheading Jihadis win in Syria. Putin has been targetted for regime change. He knows that there is nothing he can do to stop it.

Isitmebut · 01/11/2015 22:20

Claig ...you're letting your cover slip, BIG time.

"Putin got the Ukraine problem because he refused to let the beheading Jihadis win in Syria."

So Putin does not have a 'Ukraine problem' for supporting militarily with soldiers and tanks and uprising in Ukraine against the government and for Russia annexing the Crimea - yet I'm the misinformation troll. Priceless.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine

"Putin has been targetted for regime change."

Ah this is gonna be good; what sanctions etc were in place by the west prior to the expansionist policies of Putin hankering (along with many Russian people) that the power/influence of the old Soviet Union was still in place?

"He knows that there is nothing he can do to stop it."

Stop WHAT, the regime change in Syria or Russia?

Oh and btw in 'Homeland' tonight on Ch4, CIA Saul in Europe tried to turn a top bees pyjamas Syrian General against President Assad, and looked promising until the General's plane took off from Germany and blew up in mid air.

My first instinct was that Putin was responsible as Assad has only had one away day in 5-years since shot at the peaceful demonstrators, so unlikely to have any agents worth a light in Europe - but on further thoughts (SPOILER ALERT - PLEASE TURN AWAY NOW) my money is now on the Israelis who's man in Germany stated in conversation that Israel does not want regime change in Syria.

Proof that I'm nothing but fair. lol

claig · 01/11/2015 22:35

'So Putin does not have a 'Ukraine problem' '

Putin's Ukraine problem was the EU backed coup to topple an elected Ukrainian President to put in an anti Russian puppet government to suit EU and US interests as a result of Putin not rolling over in Syria and allowing the beheading Jihaids to murder Christians, Kurds and Alawites and topple Assad.

'Stop WHAT, the regime change in Syria or Russia?'

The intended regime change in Russia. He is stopping the regime change in Syria which aims to bring the beheading Jihadis to power, but he knows that regime change will be attempted in Russia next.

If you watch 'Homeland' no wonder you haven't got a clue what is going on.

claig · 01/11/2015 22:42

Putin and Iran amd China know that if the beheading Jihadis win in Syria then their funders and backers and sponsors will send them to Russia, Iran and China next in order to continue with the beheading regime change policy that the funders and backers have long planned.

claig · 01/11/2015 22:49

Putin has angered the funders and backers and sponsors of the Jihadis by helping the Syrian Armed Forces to try and cut off supply lines to Isis and Al Qaeda and all the rest of the butchers by sealing the border with Turkey and stop the resupply of the Jihadis. They haven't succeeded yet and the funders and backers are trying to stop them from preventing the resupply of Isis and all the rest of them.

claig · 01/11/2015 22:52

Erdogan's party won the Turkish election today and has a majority which means that the funded and backed Jihadi war to topple Assad will continue.

claig · 01/11/2015 22:57

They are spreading their funded and backed Jihadis everywhere, but Putin has now decided to stop them before they are sent to Russia and China.

"Jihadis likely winners of Saudi Arabia's futile war on Yemen's Houthi rebels

As another 50 civilians die in the forgotten war, only Isis and al-Qaida are gaining from a conflict tearing Yemen apart and leaving 20 million people in need of aid"

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/07/jihadis-likely-winners-of-saudi-arabias-futile-war-on-yemens-houthi-rebels

Isitmebut · 01/11/2015 22:58

Russia has had its Middle East foothold in Syria for over 40-Years, and the only surprise to-date was that it took so long for Putin/Russia to act - but was no doubt forced to include its forces directly in the conflict as Assad was losing more ground - and as we see, Russia will run out of money NEXT year.

It was Putin 'throwing the Russian dice' in both the Ukraine and Syria so the 'game' is his, and to try and spin that it was the Sunnis that started this not Assad (Alawite) and that the Sunni moderates (non ISIS) attacked the Kurds (Assad treated like a bit of shit on his sandals) - is beyond a joke OUTSIDE Russia, where the media is not controlled.

“Arab uprising; Country by country – Syria”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12482309

“The wave of popular unrest that swept the Arab world came late to Syria, but its once peaceful uprising has evolved into a brutal and increasingly sectarian armed conflict.”

“Protests demanding greater freedom and an end to corruption began in the southern city of Deraa in March 2011. After security forces opened fire on demonstrators, more took to the streets. By July 2011, hundreds of thousands of people across the country were attending protests demanding President Bashar al-Assad's resignation.”

Human Rights in Syria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Syria

"The situation for human rights in Syria is considered exceptionally poor among international observers. A state of emergency was in effect from 1963 until April 2011, giving security forces sweeping powers of arrest and detention.”

The Syrian Regime's Barrel Bombs Kill More Civilians Than ISIS And Al Qaeda Combined
www.ibtimes.com/syrian-regimes-barrel-bombs-kill-more-civilians-isis-al-qaeda-combined-2057392

Kurds in Syria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria

Kurds in Syria refers to people born in or residing in Syria who are of Kurdish origin. The Kurds are the largest ethnic minority in Syria, comprising less than 10% of the country's population according to the CIA, or 10 to 15 according to Minority Rights Group International. Syrian Kurds have faced routine discrimination and harassment by the government.

claig · 01/11/2015 22:59

'leaving 20 million people in need of aid"'

20 million and 25 million in Syria, all due to the funding and backing of butchering Jihadis who do their sponsors' dirty work in spreading misery to millions of people.

claig · 01/11/2015 23:05

'Russia has had its Middle East foothold in Syria for over 40-Years, and the only surprise to-date was that it took so long for Putin/Russia to act'

As Bill O'Reilly, Fox News' top host, said to Trump on his show that he was surprised how long it took Russia to say enough was enough, it did nothing in Serbia, nothing in Iraq, nothing in Libya and now it has acted and changed the game.

Putin did not want to act because he is too weak and didn't want to upset the applecart, but he has acted now because he knows he has no choice or regime change and the neheading Jihadis will be sent against him next by the funders and sponsors of the Jihadis.

Keep swallowing the 'Homeland' koolaid because that is the closest you will ever get to understanding world affairs.

claig · 01/11/2015 23:13

They have already sent their mercenary Jihadis to help the puppet government in Ukraine

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/04/chechen-jihadists-leave-syria-join-the-fight-in-urkaine.html

Isitmebut · 01/11/2015 23:17

Putin and Iran amd China know that if the beheading Jihadis win in Syria then their funders and backers and sponsors will send them to Russia,

As Russia DOES NOT RECOGNISE 80% OF THE SYRIAN POPULATION, the Sunnis Assad attacked from 2011 to this day, then Russia is in another 'Afghanistan' war fighting a Jihad with a far, far greater numbers of global Sunnis - while ISIS gets closer to Damascus, having just taken Haheen.

”Putin Officials Said to Admit Real Syria Goal Is Far Broader”
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-19/putin-officials-said-to-admit-real-syrian-goals-are-far-broader

“As Russia’s air war in Syria nears its fourth week, officials now admit that Moscow’s aim is far broader than the publicly announced fight against terrorist groups.”

“A top Russian military official said on Friday that the Kremlin sees no moderate opposition in Syria, leaving only terrorists and the pro-Assad forces Moscow is backing.”

claig · 01/11/2015 23:26

Russia recognises the legitimate UN recognised government of Syria, the one that has a UN ambassador and a seat on the UN, Russia does not recognise fund back or resupply the terrorist Jihadis sent from Chechnya, Saudi Arabia, Libya and tens of other countries to try and topple Assad's UN recognised government.

'then Russia is in another 'Afghanistan' war fighting a Jihad with a far, far greater numbers of global Sunnis'

That is what the sponsors of the Jihadis hope, but Putin is no fool. The Sunnis are nothing without their sponsors and backers.

Yes, Russia and Iran and China see all of the Jihadis - Isis, Al Nusra (the renamed Al Qaeda) and the "moderate" heart eating Free Syrian Army ones as terrorists waging an illehgal war against a UN recognised government.

Some of the sponsors of the Jihadis want Russia to be defeated by the Jihadis as they were defeated in Afghanistan by the funded and sponsored mujahideen.

claig · 01/11/2015 23:37

Why do you think there are now peace talks in Vienna after years of letting the Jihadis run wild over Syria. It is because Russia has turned the tide on the Jihadis and they are about to lose. Even Iran has been invited to the meeting. something from which they have always been excluded.

Russia has sent a signal to the sponsors of the Jihadis that Russia will stop them. If the sponsors of the Jihadis don't blink, back down and do a deal then things may get much worse unfortunately. Let's hope they see reason and do a deal and end the funding of the Jihadis.

claig · 01/11/2015 23:39

And how can there be peace talks and a deal without the Jihadis being present at the meeting? It is because the Jihadis are puppets, funded and sponsored, and can be turned off if a deal is agreed with their sponsors.

Isitmebut · 02/11/2015 00:22

While Russia, its Generals and its mouthpieces like you call the 80% of 23 million Syrian citizens that are Sunni "Jihadists" or "puppets", that also include women and children - bombing and shooting them as well as the 30,000 or so in ISIS - it is Russia, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Afghan mercenaries than will cause a REAL Jihad of their own making.

Jan 2014; Syria conflict pits Shia against Sunni as Hezbollah says this is 'war we must win'

Commander of militant Lebanese group claims that it has been forced to intervene in self-defence after sectarian attacks
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/01/syria-shia-sunni-hezbollah-war

claig · 02/11/2015 00:29

The women and children and most of the Syrian men are in refugee camps and are not fighting. The Free Syrian Army is 5% of the rebels fighting Assad and the US spent 500 million dollars training Syrians to fight Isis and managed to train over 5 or 6. It is Al Nusra and Isis (the foreihn mercenaries) who hold most of Syrian territory (not the 5% of Jihadis that are the Free Syrian Army who change sides and swap between different Islamic groups depending on who is paying most).

Of course Hezbollah has said it wants to win and it will. Peace talks are now being held in Vienna to save the remnants of the Jihadis who can't escape and whose supplies will be cut off when the Syrian Army manages to seal the border with Turkey.

claig · 02/11/2015 00:37

'it is Russia, Syria, Iran, Hezbollah and Afghan mercenaries than will cause a REAL Jihad of their own making.'

Don't you realise how serious this is and that it goes way beyond any phoney jihad funded by billionaires. There is a risk of WWIII over this. There are some sponsors who actually want that, but there are wiser heads like Donald Trump and Putin and Obama who don't.

claig · 02/11/2015 00:39

Cameron said that Assad should be removed with "hard force". It ain't happening, Obama is not going to do it. He has sent Kerry to Vienna to talk peace and make some sort of a deal and even Iran has been invited to the meeting because they want to make a deal.

claig · 02/11/2015 00:48

Obama has said he will send 50 troops in. On Fox News, some of their experts are hammering Obama saying that he is not serious and that 50 troops won't frighten Putin. Obama doesn't want war, he is doing the bare minimum tp placate the war hawks, trying not to escalate things while sending Kerry to talk peace in Vienna. But there are forces who want war, want the Jihadis to win and want WWIII with Russia and China and who want to stop the move to peace.

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