Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

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I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

The oil backers of the Jihadis have lost their war to topple Assad. Germany was not part of it and is having to take the majority of refugees. Germany will now see that the war ends and peace can be reestablished. BBC reports on Syria are likely to change their record and a deal will have to be done.

....and also why the West should support and spill blood, as a MEANS for Assad to continued his rule,WITH that record?

Do you not understand that Germany will start asking what is going on and start demanding that it ends? Do you not realise that when Germany speaks, the entire EU will have to listen and that means that the Gulf States and Jihadi backers will have to listen too?

Did you not read the article by Ceispin Blunt MP, former military man, and chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee?

"Our stance encouraged the defiance and the formation of the Free Syrian Army, which failed to topple a regime stronger and more implacable than we had allowed for. Uncomfortably, the regime also enjoyed support from Syria??s minorities as well as the more secular Sunni establishment, all of whom look to the regime for protection from the more fundamentalist forces of revolutionary Islam.
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Demanding Assad's removal, without recognising the complexities, is not the best way to conduct foreign policy. Assad has so far survived the challenge of both the Free Syrian Army supported by the liberal democracies, and the Islamist based movements, such as the Nusra Front.

It is time to acknowledge that among our priorities and values is the protection of human security through a political solution that ends the violence, even if it creates some difficult moral dilemmas."

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Our policy is going to change because Germany will start demanding an end to the war. It is coming to an end, the 5 years of suffering and misery is going to end and people will be able to return to their homes and Syria will have to be rebuilt by a united United Nations effort and hopefully the Gulf States are going to pay for a large part of the rebuild.

Show me your proof that Assad is CURRENTLY gaining ground within Syria with a chance of winning, against the Free Syrian rebels and/or ISIS.

Germany has far less influence in stopping the Syrian War than Russia (as they also are allied to Iran), and when has any civil war whether in the Middle East, Shia vs Sunni, or Ukraine vs Russian supported Ukrainian rebels - ever listened and responded to Germany's wishes?

Clearly Putin likes to blame everyone else, but Germany appearing totally willing to take hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees for years ahead, seems totally relaxed about the refugee crisis - and so expects the Syrian conflict to go on for years.

And as you pointed out, Europe could be free of Russian oil/gas tap turn offs, via a potential new pipeline, WITHOUT Assad in power.

The onus is on Russia and Iran to concede that their man will be 'toast' sooner than later, stop supplying Assad DIRECTLY with men and military hardware - and get used to the fact that their direct influence over the Assads/Syria, as another front to Sunni Saudi Arabian borders, has come to an end.

Claig .... the Syrian problem is far different to 1-4 years ago, WHY keep quoting people of back then?

Assad has killed more people each year, so the possibility of him remaining and forming a stable administration has greatly deminished, and the possibility of Syrian people hanging around Syria has also moved on, as they have far better options for a non oppressed life outside Syria.

*but Germany appearing totally willing to take hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees for years ahead, seems totally relaxed about the refugee crisis - and so expects the Syrian conflict to go on for years.

• I'm not entirely sure just how relaxed they are. It seems more likely that that they only opened up when it became obvious that the refugees were coming in. Ditto for the 'years to come' part too.

'Show me your proof that Assad is CURRENTLY gaining ground within Syria with a chance of winning, against the Free Syrian rebels and/or ISIS.'

They can't beat him. They have been trying for 5 years. Money has been poured in to help them. Neighbouring countries have allowed free passage for Jihadis, Jihadis have been selling oil to someone somewhere to finance themselves, and they cannot take Assad's stronghold. Refugees have lost all hope and are starting to come to Europe in huge numbers. Now Euroipe will have to end the war.

'Germany has far less influence in stopping the Syrian War than Russia (as they also are allied to Iran), and when has any civil war whether in the Middle East, Shia vs Sunni, or Ukraine vs Russian supported Ukrainian rebels - ever listened and responded to Germany's wishes?'

You need to do a basic Politics 101 course at a secondary school (if you pass their basic educational entrance requirements). If Germany speaks, everybody listens and Merkel will already be speaking to Putin asking him to help and of course Putin will help, he will come up with a deal. The economic might of Germany gets things done and Putin will do whatever Merkel wants to help Germany.

'Germany appearing totally willing to take hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees for years ahead, seems totally relaxed about the refugee crisis - and so expects the Syrian conflict to go on for years.'

You need to do a basic Politics 101 course at a secondary school (if you pass their basic educational entrance requirements). That is for the BBC news reports, but in reality German politicians are not relaxed and are probably looking at ways of ending the war right now. The entire EU is facing an even bigger crisis than the Greek crisis over this and if Germany doesn't solve this, then Farage and co may end the entire EU if the people of Europe vote against the European political class.

'And as you pointed out, Europe could be free of Russian oil/gas tap turn offs, via a potential new pipeline, WITHOUT Assad in power.'

Yes, but Germany has been set up, Germany doesn't care where it gets its oil and gas from as long as it gets it and Germany wants good relations with its neighbours and particularly a nuclear armed toi the teeth Russia. The cost of the funded and backed Jihadi war against Assad for the sake of oil moguls is to give Germany hundreds of thousands of refugees and that is going to eventually break the entire bigwigs' EU project if it is not solved. Germany is not going to let that happen which is why they will now tell everyone to end the war in Syria.

'the Syrian problem is far different to 1-4 years ago, WHY keep quoting people of back then?'

No it is not, apart from tens of thousands more dead and millions more displaced. BBC reports on Syria are going to start to change.

fourmummy ..... If Germany has a policy to bring in what, 500,000 now, and then a few hundred thousand each year for x amount of years - that is a huge signal to Syrians where ever they are, so best the Germans remain relaxed.

The Fact is, in Syria (as shown on the previous page), under President Assad, there hasn't been (just) government sponsored atrocities over a 4-year period, there has been oppression against the majority of Syrian citizens for 45-years - so WHO has the right in the West, especially some Tory MP in charge of a committee within the safety of Westminster - to TELL the people of Syria that they have to accept Assad, especially when now have BETTER life options on another continent???
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Syria

"No it is not (changed), apart from tens of thousands more dead and millions more displaced."

Guffaw, no serious changes there then to influence the voters-with-feet.

claigs personal "what did the Romans ever do for us then?" moment.

claig .... have you just been given a new phrase to use by a comrade;

"You need to do a basic Politics 101 course at a secondary school (if you pass their basic educational entrance requirements)."

Its about the 6th time you have used it today ... yawn.

Nothing has changed since 2013 when Frederick Forsyth said

"The war in Syria is over bar the shouting and President Assad has won"

Assad has still won in 2015. The reluctance to accept that and do a deal with Assad has led to tens of thousands more deaths and an escalating refugee crisis. That is why Crispin Blunt, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, is now saying

"Demanding Assad's removal, without recognising the complexities, is not the best way to conduct foreign policy. Assad has so far survived the challenge of both the Free Syrian Army supported by the liberal democracies, and the Islamist based movements, such as the Nusra Front.

It is time to acknowledge that among our priorities and values is the protection of human security through a political solution that ends the violence, even if it creates some difficult moral dilemmas."

"You need to do a basic Politics 101 course at a secondary school (if you pass their basic educational entrance requirements)."

Is the new 101 phrase.

claig ... you keep quoting other people on Assad, I have SHOWN YOU without any challenge from you, that Assad is a complete-and-utter-bastard - can you not think for yourself?

Are you not allowed to?

'Its about the 6th time you have used it today ... yawn.'

I am saying it to help you in trying to fill in the gaps in your political knowledge, but first you have to ensure you meet the basic 3Rs requirements for entry onto a introductory level politics course. Studying Farage's "The Purple Revolution" will take you some of the way, but there is still a long way to go after that.

'can you not think for yourself?'

Thinking for myself is my motto, the creed I live by. That's why I support Farage.

Supporting Assad (based on his families 4 to 45 year record) would be more morally corrupt to the people of Syria than letting him bleed slowly to death, as he has admitted, conceding ever more territory.

Especially as apparently, the EU will find a home for everyone that comes.

Well from this civil war, apparently there are another 8 scattered around the planet.

Supporting Farage/UKIP that have yet to form their CORE values after 25-years, apart from anti EU,anti immigration and anti berka - shows no great 'thinker' in my book, in fact quite the opposite.

claig ... you cannot justify Assad, with his record, staying in power other than 'coz uver people say so' - admit it.

'Especially as apparently, the EU will find a home for everyone that comes.'

Are you really that naive? Don't you realise that that is for the BBC news reports? The EU is facing an existential crisis over this. Farage is just around the corner. We have a referendum on the EU and Cameron has suffered a Commons defeat over the 'purdah' rules. The Establishment know how serious this crisis is, Farage is on their tails.

The EU purdah rules state it has to be a fair EU referendum, with no government money supporting the 'stay in' vote - now who helped defeat the government on that, the ONE Ukipper MP - or a shed load of Conservatives thinking for themselves.

I can see 'the crisis', in UKIP anyone that does that gets toasted by Farage, having sang their praises weeks earlier - I now see the dictator 'suck up' you are.

'a shed load of Conservatives thinking for themselves'

Yes, they rebelled against Cameron. They are not following the Establishment line, they are thinking for themselves. It won't be plain sailing for the Establishment while Farage is around, and Tory MP Bernard Jenkins is doing an excellent job and talking real sense ovr Syria and the EU Referendum and 'purdah'. If he wanted to, he might possibly go for the next leader and then who knows what would happen.

Everyone thought the Tory leadership was near enough a done deal between 3 candidates, but from the common sense way that Bernard Jenkins is talking and countering the consensus, he could possibly win it.

And this is why the trusting and giving Shia Iran (President Assad??s major backer) an all year ??open season pass?? on Sunnis in both Iraq and Syria, is neither a good idea, or will allow ANYONE not a Shia Muslim, any thoughts of a safe future.

??'Israel will be destroyed within 25 years': Iranian supreme leader issues chilling warning to 'Zionists' ?? and rejects talks with 'Great Satan' U.S. beyond its nuclear deal??
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3227881/Israel-destroyed-25-years-Iranian-supreme-leader-issues-chilling-warning-Zionists-rejects-talks-Great-Satan-U-S-nuclear-deal.html

Iran said what they needed to in order to free up their global assets and other restrictions due to the Western embargo, but they will ALWAYS be looking to cause conflicts against non Shia Muslims in Iraq, Bahrain, the Yemen and of course Syria to name just the obvious targets.

Rid Syria of Assad, you loosen the grip of Iran and Russia on the region as a bonus ?? as they both have the largest proven (non shale) natural gas reserves in the world ?? and as they both have their own ??expansionist?? agendas, they won??t be shy using that power over the West.

Meanwhile with Syria??s other noisy tenants, one both has to both wonder how so relatively few are controlling vast areas within Syria and Iraq, and fear that any measure taken against ISIS that triggers a call to arms from those within the caliphate ?? can go out and bring in Jihadists, from so many other countries.

??CIA Says ISIS Ranks May Have Tripled??
time.com/3340662/cia-isis-isil/

??The CIA estimates that ISIS, the Islamist terrorist group that has declared a caliphate in the large swath of Iraq and Syria which it now controls, ??can muster between 20,000 and 31,500 fighters across Iraq and Syria, based on a new review of all-source intelligence reports from May to August, an increase from our previous assessment of at least 10,000 fighters,?? a CIA spokesperson said. That estimate accounts only for individuals fighting with ISIS itself, not with any affiliated group.??

??The CIA believes more than 15,000 foreign fighters from 80 countries ??at least 2,000 of whom are Westerners ?? have traveled to Syria to join ISIS ranks. A dozen or more could be Americans, the CIA believes.??