Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

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I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

'Putin should unleash Chechen troops on Isis, says region's president

Former rebel Ramzan Kadyrov says if Russian PM sent his ‘death battalion’ to Syria in a ground operation, Islamic State would be wiped out within weeks'

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/02/putin-should-unleash-chechen-troops-on-isis-says-regions-president

"End of ISIS? Putin sends in his most ruthless special forces killers to finish off jihadis

VLADIMIR Putin has dispatched his most elite special forces team to Syria to hunt down and wipe out Islamic State (ISIS) militants."

www.express.co.uk/news/world/610143/Islamic-State-ISIS-Putin-Spetsnaz-Syria-special-forces-airstrikes

Putin has called their bluff. The backers of the Jihadis have spent billions trying to overthrow Assad and now their entire game is up. What can they do? Give up the game or escalate it and attack Russia? Those are their options, we will see which one they take.

claig ... re my post then your answer; 'several hundreds of allied air strikes over several months, but after 25 Russian airstrikes - mostly against the Syrian rebels not ISIS - they are all packing up to go home?'

That is why there will be egg on faces when Putin finishes them off with ease.

OMG Russian propaganda from its home and at its finest, needing to ra, ra their leader like some third world dictatorship - or get sent to one of the Russian fronts - although in your case, pack your sandals, bucket and spade, Syria would have had your name written all over it.

You really are naive about Isis. You don't understand who supports and supported and armed it and the fact that Putin has now called the twitter groups' bluff and the bluff of all its backers.

claigy, claigy, claigy ... do you really think that your so pro Russia posts are still carrying any credibility, or are you just working out your 1-weeks notice while learning Syrian?

I FULLY understand the creation of the ISIS monster, but they have not been the biggest threat to the Syrian people for 4-years

The Syrian Regime's Barrel Bombs Kill More Civilians Than ISIS And Al Qaeda Combined
www.ibtimes.com/syrian-regimes-barrel-bombs-kill-more-civilians-isis-al-qaeda-combined-2057392

And that is why under a President Assad regime in Syria there will never be peace; as 80% of the 23 million Syrian population who are Sunni Muslims - making up the majority of the 12 million Syrians displaced from their homes – have either directly suffered personal loss or know someone close who has.

Now who is the clearest present danger to the Syrian people and threat to Europe/Merkel, by way of aid to the region and on the sharp end of those displaced by Assad?

You are naive and don't understand world affairs. You are so clueless that you don't have any arguments and all you can use is slurs about me. Let's wait and see what happens and then you can apologise and enrol in a Politics 101 course at a college willing to take on the responsibility for your education.

'I FULLY understand the creation of the ISIS monster'

Stop lying, you are clueless. You don't know who backs them and where they got their weapons from. Putin understands it, Ramzan Kadyrov understands it and is not kidding when he says

"if Russian PM sent his ‘death battalion’ to Syria in a ground operation, Islamic State would be wiped out within weeks'

ra-ra ras-Putin, lover of the Syrian king

(I'll name that tune in one)

P.S. 'president' didn't rhyme and couldn't be ars-ked to find something better..

You are naive and don't understand world affairs.

Look on the previous page, one of my last posts, I FULLY understand Putins game.

Between Russia and Iran, we have shed loads of oil and 2 of the top 5 reserves of gas in the world, which Iraq and Syria in full flow clearly adds to.

What better to some control freak is to both HOLD those reserves, and within the Iraq-Iran-Syrian borders, be a DIRECT military threat to the softer (militarily) Sunni States - should they not follow the Russian/Putin line?

Iran through third parties have been looking to destabilize the region for years, so perfect Russian bedfellows, both overtly and underground, with Syrian and Iraqi wing-men.

That shows how naive you are.

Here is someone you have never heard of, Patrick J. Buchanan, former candidate for Presidential nomination, the legend onown as Pat, one of the few real conservatives left on the planet.

"War Party Targets Putin and Assad
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Has the War Party thought this through?

Establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, which means shooting down Syrian fighter-bombers and helicopters, is an act of war. But when did Congress authorize the president to go to war with Syria?

When last Obama requested such authority – in 2013, when chemical weapons were used – the American people arose as one to say no to U.S. intervention. Congress backed away without even voting.

Unprovoked air strikes on Syrian government forces would represent an unauthorized and unconstitutional American war. Does the Party of the Constitution no longer care about the Constitution?
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How would Russia, Iran and Hezbollah respond to U.S. air strikes on their ally? Would they pack it in and leave? Is that our experience with these folks?

Today, the U.S. is conducting strikes on ISIS, and the al-Qaida affiliate. But if we begin to attack the Syrian army or air force, we will be in a new war where the entire Shiite Crescent of Iran, Baghdad, Damascus and Hezbollah, backed by Russia, will be on the other side.

We will have taken the Sunni side in the Sunni-Shiite sectarian long war.

How long such a war would last, and how it would end, no one knows.

Whatever one thinks of Putin’s policy in Syria, at least it makes sense. He is supporting an ally, the Assad regime, against its enemies, who seek to overthrow that regime.

It is U.S. policy in Syria that makes no sense.

We train rebels at immense cost to fight Assad, who cannot or will not fight. We attack ISIS, which also seeks to bring down the Assad regime. And we, too, want to bring down Assad.
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For months, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia has called on Congress to debate and decide before we launch any new war in the Middle East.

One wishes him well. For it is obvious that the same blockheads who told us that if the Taliban and Saddam and Gadhafi fell, liberal democracy would arise and flourish, are now clamoring for another American war in Syria to bring down Assad.

And who says stay out? Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, both of whom also opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

There is something to be said for outsiders."

original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2015/10/05/war-party-targets-putin-and-assad/

Here we go AGAIN folks, quantity over quality to turn the page. Priceless.

'quantity over quality'

Have you no shame? A 60 year old moderniser like you, clueless on foreign affairs, politics and economics, saying that Pat Buchanan, one of the few remaining real conservatives on the planet, is not quality?

Sorry that I'm not accepting my brainwashing - ONE MORE TIME, is Mr Buchanan a Syrian Sunni sitting and shitting in some tent in Syria, or in some refugee camp in the Lebanon, or Jordan, DUE to Assad?

NO?

Most American's think anything Sunni can always be found in Florida, and have not the first clue of world affairs, even many well educated ones.

You called me a m-o-d-e-r-n-i-s-e-r, how very dare you, MODs show this person a board yellow card, even if prefers red.

I GET that you have a little data base of people like Hitchins and Buchanan who for some reason have been labelled 'conservative' so you wheel them out at times of mass-debating stress, and I have to agree with then, right?

Wrong.

Here is another real conservative, not a paid-for puppet of modernisers with money, the people's Presidential candidate, The Donald

"I like that Putin is bombing the hell out of ISIS-- and it's going to beat ISIS," Trump said on "Meet the Press" Sunday. "I'll tell you why. Putin has to get rid of ISIS - because Putin doesn't want ISIS coming into Russia."

When host Chuck Todd tried to get Trump to endorse the Beltway consensus that Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad must go, Trump was having none of it."

www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/10/risking_war_with_russia_over_syria_compared_to_chr.html

If Trump wins, then the Jihadi backers will be in real trouble.

'You called me a m-o-d-e-r-n-i-s-e-r'

You support the moderniser Cameron. Either you are a moderniser or you aren't too bright. I say both, based on what I have read of your responses.

"people like Hitchins and Buchanan who for some reason have been labelled 'conservative'

Because they are not modernisers like you.

'and I have to agree with then, right?'

No, I am just calling your bluff and demonstrating that you support modernisers instead of real conservatives.

'When host Chuck Todd tried to get Trump to endorse the Beltway consensus that Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad must go'

Trump ain't a puppet. They are desperate to get him to agree with the "consensus". Trump is not politically correct, he is not a puppet, they don't tell him what to do which is why real conservatives love him and modernisers fear him.

Wheel them out; was this the same Trump in the recent Republican Nominee Debate who knew so few names on the world stage, he said 'well in fairness, few Americans would, now would they'?

When is the next American general election, and will it be over before Russia beats ISIS all on his own within the next week?

After me, ra-ra ras-Putin, lover of the Syrian king

What don't you get about the United States of America. Trump doesn't need to know their names. They need to know his.

'will it be over before Russia beats ISIS all on his own within the next week?'

Trump's election victory will be after Russia defeats the hyped up twitter Isis outfit and after some people will need to explain how come Russia defeated them when no one else could.

'Trump doesn't need to know their names.'

Trump doesn't know their first names, they better know his. "Yo Blair", there'll be so much grovelling to the real conservative, Trump, it will be a real laugh for real conservatives across the planet.

No, I am just calling your bluff and demonstrating that you support modernisers instead of real conservatives.

He/she did it again, used the 'm' word; what is a REAL Conservative, the REAL Labour Party, any UKIP domestic policy lasting more than 1-year before 'modernized' - all we know, is what a real Soviet blowing propaganda smoke up our arses is - and you are passing THAT walking and talking 'duck test'.

P.S. Telling us that Putin with 25 bombing missions against Syrian rebels was making ISIS head for the hills, was like Joseph Goebbels broadcasting that the RAF had been beaten.

'what is a REAL Conservative'

Not you and Cameron. Thatcher, Trump, Pat Buchanan and Peter Hitchens.

'Telling us that Putin with 25 bombing missions against Syrian rebels was making ISIS head for the hills'

You are clueless about Isis, you don't understand that they have been hyped up and Iraqi troops were paid off not to combat them. It won't be the same with Putin, Hezbollah, the Iranians and Assad's troops. No amount of money will help save the Jihadis.

BTW should you return from the 'front', can you bring us back from Syria a piece or two of Syrian artefact to be placed in a Mumsnet P.O. box, as Putin is now bombing them with Assads approval.

I'd give you my address but would rather my gifts are in my hand and not radioactive, and not delivered by 'Vlad and the boys'.

You are the gift that keeps giving.

It won't be the same with Putin, Hezbollah, the Iranians and Assad's troops. No amount of money will help save the Jihadis.

I realise that, you find that after you use fragmentation and cluster bombs on 80% of the 'Jihadid' population (formerly known as Syrians) and those known as ISIS and kill the lot, there will be soooo much more space.

BTW you missed out the Afghans, maybe they'll settle.
”Iran Pays Afghans to Fight for Assad” www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304908304579564161508613846

I see Iran has announced the death of Hussein Hamadani, one of their military generals. near Aleppo in Syria - a war torn city where Syria's Assad has been dropping the like of barrel bombs on his own citizens, most of whom would have fled their homes.

No doubt Russia will soon release why an Iranian general who's country has bragged that it has trained 130,000 Afghans and others to fight Assad's dirty war was in down town Aleppo.

Either it will be fighting ISIS, or he was minding his own business taking his family to shop in the largest Matalan store in the area - you never know with those cra-zy Russians.