Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

[Whoknewitcouldbeso]

I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

'trying the gasted flabber disrespect card? Pathetic'

Every post you post is full of disrespect - to socialists, to Arabs and to any non-modernisers. You have been banned before for jokes that you thought were amusing, but which others thought were racist.

claig ... trying the RACE card now the Troll House must be getting desperate; I was yellow carded NOT for a comment on the native American's, it was my incredulous reaction to a poster who somehow took offence that correctly got my knuckles rapped by the mods.

And NOW I KNOW that you know why I disappeared for a short while, it confirms that Troll House article, that teams work together e.g. one asks a question, others answer etc.

P.S. It is me worried about the fate of millions of Arabs, not you, socialists can give MORE in insults than I give in facts, and the 'modernisers' - have you also been trying to get me banned for mentioning THEM? LOL

P.S. I TOLD you I thought that you were trying to bait me on I believe the Political Board the other day to lose my temper (as I did when one of your colleagues accused me of racism when I said Red Indian rather than Native) - but said I wouldn't fall for it.

Clearly my first opening posts on the previous page have been seen by your supervisors to be as disrespectful to Russia, as you are disrespecting us for being so pro Soviet without it being SEEN as being obvious - and that will ALWAYS be a problem from those trying to just get their propaganda across - and NOT have a sense of humour, according to this.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

I will mention Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, the former Chief of Staff to General Colin Powell, Lord Dannatt, former Chief of the General Staff, Lord Admiral West, former Head of the Navy, Peter Ford, former Britsh ambassador to Syria, and real conservatives like Peter Hitchens all day long because they are right.

And if I mention them, you vill believe it, as it is in the script you will.

Not only is your thinking muddled, but you are also paranoid. It was obvious why you disappeared for a few weeks and were banned - due to your inflammatory statements that you thought were amusing. I didn't need to ask anyone why, it was as plain as day.

'you vill believe it'

What nationality are you mocking now?

Sorry, it should have been ^And if I mention them, you vill believe it, as it is in the script you vill.

I missed a 'v' it was getting to me, I appreciate you raising it.

That was a bit war comic German, how would I say the start of ????? in English?

'how would I say the start of ????? in English?'

twit

claig ... me paranoid, read your own comments just because I won't accept the Russian bullsquirt you spray here - my comment was over a year ago, on a UKIP policy and for mentioning the Red Indian within a light hearted comment I was called a "sicko" and "racist" and I got carded for blowing a gasket at that post - but that was between me, Mumsnet and whoever complained.

Which could not have been you as you posted a 'welcome back', unless completely two-faced.

But now I know WHY it is important to the Troll House that no one disses the great Russian Syrian adventure, it is to be TV gold, the Russian equivalent of the X-Factor & Strictly Come Dancing COMBINED through the winter in bad economic times.

Kremlin turns opinion over Syria with U.S.-style 'shock and awe' media blitz
uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/09/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-propagand-idUKKCN0S325U20151009

Weathering a worsening economic downturn and weary of hearing about the travails of Kremlin-backed rebels in eastern Ukraine, many Russians appear to be enjoying the show and buying into the Kremlin's message that its intervention is evidence of the country's military and diplomatic renaissance.

The propaganda push, which has even extended to a TV weather presenter describing the climatic conditions for air strikes, seems, from a Kremlin viewpoint, to be working so far.

Less than two weeks ago, just 14 percent of Russians said they backed direct military intervention in Syria. This week, a similar poll, by the same Levada pollster, showed that 72 percent had a broadly positive opinion of Russian air strikes.

"There was a sharp change (in opinion)," said Stepan Goncharov, of the Levada Center. "Before, the conflict was regarded as someone else's. But the media were able to present it in such a way that it came to be viewed as an essential intervention by Russia in the region."

As the first snow of the winter falls in Moscow, he said the Syria conflict was proving a helpful distraction for some Russians who did not want to spend their evenings thinking about rising prices, Western sanctions, and shrinking family budgets.

"Foreign policy is viewed as a spectacle here," said Goncharov. "People turn on the TV and what is important for them is a show. The attacks, the bombing, the shoot-ups are all elements of the show."

P.S. I see that Putin is so concerned about the Conservative government that he has fired a key and loyal ally Vladimir Yakunin, as his son has applied for British Citizenship, no doubt attracted by his prospects in the UK under a Conservative government.

'Which could not have been you as you posted a 'welcome back', unless completely two-faced.'

It wasn't me, I have already told you I hardly ever complain to MNHQ because I believe in free speech even if it is the type of stuff you post.

Here we go

"Europe needs better relations with Russia - Juncker

Europe must improve its relationship with Russia and should not let this be something decided by Washington, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said on Thursday."

www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3265447/Europe-needs-better-relations-Russia--Juncker.html

The process has started due to the refugee crisis and Syria and due to sanctions affecting European farmers and German industry. It won't be easy for Europe, there may be more Volkswagens.

Expect Turkey to let tens of thousands of refugees out of their camps in Turkey and to facilitate their crossing to Greece as they head to Germany to give Merkel a hard time. Europe will be under huge pressure.

What will Europe do?

God, yet more Russian propaganda, as no one with a non furry UKIP hat on would ever have an ounce of respect for EU President Juncker's opinions.

news.sky.com/story/1549388/ukip-meps-opinion-worthless-eu-president

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3060702/Good-luck-good-riddance-EU-chief-Jean-Claude-Juncker-tells-Farage-hopes-wins-week-doesn-t-Brussels-again.html

P.S. The only better relations Russia wants is; let Russia do what it wants in the Ukraine in its own interests and let Russia do what it wants to do in the Middle East in its own interests etc etc etc.

You'll learn how the world really works one day, in another 30 years' time, when you are 90 and realise that you never had a clue.

Maybe, just maybe in those next 30-years Russia could be trusted to do what they SAID they'll do, in this case when announcing opening direct hostilities to combat ISIS/ISIL/IS (whatever) - they don't spend more time HELPING the common enemy.

Oct 9 2015; Isil fighters advance on Syria's Aleppo after Russian air strikes in 'most significant attack'

Russian airstrikes, which experts warn are disproportionately targeting moderate opposition groups, have helped Islamic State make ground in Syria's second-biggest city
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11921701/Isil-fighters-make-gains-in-Syrias-Aleppo-despite-Russian-airstrikes.html

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) militants reached the outskirts of Syria’s second city on Friday as the US warned Russia that its campaign to tackle the extremist group was backfiring.

The jihadists launched a surprise attack on non-Isil rebel positions north of Aleppo on Thursday night, seizing at least three villages and a former army base that rebels had captured from troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad two years ago.

The attack brought them close to regime positions in the north-east of the city. Further advances could mean rebels, including many characterised as “moderate” by the West, become sealed inside the besieged city by a circle of regime and Isil fighters.

The attack came 10 days after Russia began air strikes on targets across northern and western Syria, claiming to be fighting Isil but according to reports from the ground and the detailed list of their targets mostly hitting the non-Isil rebel groups that are presenting the greatest threat to the regime and its supply lines.

Significant ISIS gains in Aleppo could easily have resulted in the death of the Assad/Russian ally, the Iranian General, mentioned at the top of the previous page - how sweetly ironic, on top of the few Russian cruise missiles hitting Iran on route to Syria.

(Am I the only one who winces at "Isitme"? Should be "Is it I")

So far...but like a number 37 bus.....hang around.....and then three Russian Trolls.....come along at once.

In Russia declaring that everyone against Syria’s Shia minority President Assad (and his families abysmal 40-year record on Human Rights) is a ‘Jihadi’ and therefore be a legitimate target for Russian cluster, fragmentation, and cruise bombing ordinance – could, in technical air force terms, have seriously ‘screwed their own (Russian) pooch’.

Just as well then Putin has recently warned Russians that the previous estimate of being in Syria would now not just be months, it could potentially be for years.

As if Russian/Iranian ‘open season’ on all Sunni Muslims within Syria has truly started a ‘Jihad’ – on the basis that 85% to 90% of the worlds Muslims are Sunni - Russia could still be underestimating how long his forces will be there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia%E2%80%93Sunni_relations

Saudi Arabian clerics declare jihad against Assad and Putin's forces, urging all Sunni Muslims to join the rebels shortly before rockets are fired at the Russian embassy in Syria

• Clerics and academics sign statement calling on Sunnis to 'hurry' to Syria
• Call came before rockets were fired at the Russian embassy in Damascus
• Hundreds had met in a show of support for Russia's air war in the country
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270466/Saudi-Arabian-clerics-declare-jihad-against-Assad-Putin-s-forces-urging-Sunni-Muslims-join-rebels-shortly-rockets-fired-Russian-embassy-Syria.html

Thanks to Russia, what little chance there was of turning the clock back to where it was under Assad before March 2011, has now gone.

So if left as it is, there really can only be one of two outcomes with years of misery for the Syrian people ahead;

A safe Syria with a moderate Sunni leadership reflecting its 80% Sunni population, or a split Syria hopefully with just two states emerging, one Alawite (Shia) possibly under Assad, the other led by moderate Sunnis, the Kurds and possibly the Christians living together, whether called a caliphate, or anything else. IMO

As mentioned and the Kremlin has now confirmed, as far as Russia is concerned, there is the Alawite/Shia President Assad who represents around 18% of the 23 million population of Syria - and the alternative Sunni 'others', Assad has been trying to kill since March 2011 making up around 80% of Syria's population - so anyone other than the Syrian government forces, Iranians, Hezbollah and Afghan mercenaries, are all legitimate bombing/shelling targets in their view.

”Putin Officials Said to Admit Real Syria Goal Is Far Broader”
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-19/putin-officials-said-to-admit-real-syrian-goals-are-far-broader

“As Russia’s air war in Syria nears its fourth week, officials now admit that Moscow’s aim is far broader than the publicly announced fight against terrorist groups.”

“The Kremlin’s real goal is to help Syrian President Bashar al-Assad retake as much as possible of the territory his forces have lost to opponents, including U.S.-backed rebels, Russian officials told Bloomberg News. Moscow’s deployment of several dozen planes, as well as ships in the Black and Caspian Seas, could last a year or more, one official said.”

“A top Russian military official said on Friday that the Kremlin sees no moderate opposition in Syria, leaving only terrorists and the pro-Assad forces Moscow is backing.”

“In the West, they talk about ‘moderate opposition,’ but we so far haven’t seen any in Syria,” General Andrey Kartapolov, commander of the Russian operation in Syria, told the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper. “Any person who takes up arms and fights the legal authorities, how moderate can he be?”

Meanwhile Putin who justifies his action based on that flawd logic above, has said that he don't want to get into a Shia vs Sunni religious war, possibly only just realising that he has started one, and similar to the Shiites, if you piss off one Sunni, you piss them all off - and the battlefront can change to include an economic war.

Saudi Arabia's Oil War With Russia
www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-16/saudi-arabia-s-oil-war-with-russia

"As President Vladimir Putin tries to restore Russia as a major player in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is starting to attack on Russia's traditional stomping ground by supplying lower-priced crude oil to Poland."

"European traders and refiners confirm that Saudi Arabia has been offering its oil at significant discounts, making it more attractive than Russian crude. And, even though most eastern European refineries are now technologically dependent on the Russian crude mix, Russia's oilmen are right to be worried."

It could be a long cold winter in Russia
www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/08/26/Oil-Prices-Fall-Putin-s-Russia-Faces-Long-Cold-Winter

Syria’s Assad came out of his under siege bunker to fly to Russia and a President Putin probably waking up to the Jihad with the globally far greater numbered Sunni Muslims that he, Assad, the Iranians and Hezbollah have started – with no great glorious victory ‘in a week’ - as the Russian trolls would have us believe.

So what is Putin’s Plan ‘B’ needing to be discussed face-to-face with an Assad likely to resist; as mentioned at the end of my Oct 13th post, a SPLIT in two Syria, but NOT on the Alawite/Shia Assad in one state and the Sunnis, Kurds and Christians in the other.

Assad Meets Putin In Moscow Over Airstrikes

The Syrian leader expresses "enormous" gratitude for Russia's help in the Syrian conflict, in his first trip abroad since 2011.
news.sky.com/story/1573402/assad-meets-putin-in-moscow-over-airstrikes

The Syrian leader Bashar al Assad has made a surprise visit to Moscow to discuss the continuation of Russian airstirkes with President Vladimir Putin.

At the talks, President Assad expressed "enormous" gratitude for the Kremlin's help and said its military intervention in his country had prevented a "tragic scenario".

It is the first known trip abroad taken by Mr Assad since his country descended into a bloody civil war back in 2011, which is estimated to have left 250,000 people dead.

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So why wouldn’t Syria be LOGICALLY split in two with Shia Assad in one State and the Sunnis, Kurds and Christians in another?

I believe that a Putin going for a spit two states realises that his man Assad only represents less than 18% of the Syrian population – so Putin can hardly press for an international settlement where even a largely uninhabited Syria is divided 50-50 – and therefore needs to ‘bulk up’ Assad’s Syria’s citizen following by cosying up to the Kurds who make up around 10% of the population..

And why do I think this, well Putin is already sucking up to the Kurds, who tend to be rather independent and via its PKK are anti Turkey (who are now being brought closer the Europe) so solve two strategic problems in one go. Cunning.

9/29/15; Putin: Kurds and Assad instrumental in ISIS fight
rudaw.net/english/world/290920151

“We should finally acknowledge that Assad and the Kurds are valiantly fighting the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations in Syria,” said Putin.

_And why would I have assumed that the Kurd’s who are fighting ISIS would tend to be with Sunni 80% of the Syrian population in a two State Syria, well the Assads have no doubt been just as ‘nice’ to the Kurds for 40-years, as they have been to the Sunnis.

Kurds in Syria
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Syria

Kurds in Syria refers to people born in or residing in Syria who are of Kurdish origin. The Kurds are the largest ethnic minority in Syria, comprising less than 10% of the country's population according to the CIA, or 10 to 15 according to Minority Rights Group International. Syrian Kurds have faced routine discrimination and harassment by the government.

• The question with the Kurds then would be what would they WANT to stand with and live in Shia Assad's New Syria?

• The question for Assad faced with a Russia seeing the enormity of a task taking on the Sunnis of the world, is what is Assad prepared to give to the Kurds? IMO.

Putin’s Syrian strategy seems to change every few days (with the end game explained in the link below), thinly disguised as being ‘solution proactive’ (IF adopted by the West and Russia) is the following;

• Ensure the arms/support are focused in the Shia governments of Syria and Iraq, with Shia Iran already on board and already fighting Sunnis in both Syria and Iraq.

• Ensure arms/support is slowed down for the 80% of Sunni Syrians President Assad has been attacking since 2011, even pretending to work with them, so if Syria remains whole Assad could continue to subjugate them after ISIS is beaten.

• Brings the Kurds into the Shia/Russian tent and makes the strategy/solution look more regionally ‘inclusive’.

Net Result; Russia’s huge band of Shia Syria/Iraq/Iran influence is in place, working together, and a constant threat to the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, Bahrain and Qatar

"Islamic State:Putin calls for coalition to defeat militants"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34606804
”President Putin has called for Kurdish forces to form a coalition with the Syrian and Iraqi governments to fight the so-called Islamic State.”

Far from me to stand up for the Tony Blair administration, but in my opinion regarding ISIS, headlines like below are both unfair and misleading.

Tony Blair concedes link between Islamic State and Iraq War
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34630380

”Tony Blair has apologised for mistakes made over the Iraq War - and said there were "elements of truth" to claims the war caused the rise of Islamic State.”

”The ex-PM said "those of us who removed Saddam" did bear some responsibility for the situation in Iraq today.”

”But he again defended the invasion, saying it was "hard to apologise" for removing Saddam Hussein and that Iraq might have become like Syria otherwise.”

Iraq’s Saddam Hussein was a Sunni religiously representing around 40% of Iraq and it would have been members of his more anti west/anti new Iraqi Shia regime, the radical Tikrit tribe and Sunni administration/generals - that would have needed to be imprisoned by the western coalition – but as mentioned below, those in the likes of Abu Ghraib were badly mistreated.

”Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

During the war in Iraq that began in March 2003, personnel of the United States Army and the Central Intelligence Agency committed a series of human rights violations against detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder. The abuses came to light with reports published in late 2003 by Amnesty International and the Associated Press. The incidents received widespread condemnation both within the United States and abroad, although the soldiers received support from some conservative media within the United States.

But once that ‘Human Rights’ stuff hit the fan, the prisoners life changed dramatically; think of the UK’s best Open Prison and then some, albeit with no rights to leave on a day trip.

So what the Sunni radicals in these new prisons had, from around 2004 onwards, was a place to plan ahead amongst themselves, with literally a large captive audience to convert/recruit – hence when released they were in terms of organisation and military expertise, able to hit the ground running while securing military ‘seed money’ finance – from other Sunni States worried about Sunnis under an oppressive President Assad in Syria, and non inclusive new Shia Iraqi administration under Prime Minister Al Maliki, since asked to step down.

The Islamist extremists ISIS have become was unlikely to have been in the early new Caliphate ‘business plan’ when securing seed money, but the ability to ‘shock and awe’ would have been. But having morphed, ISIS become an embarrassment to the Muslim faith and the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. IMO.

In Conclusion; So while Mr Blair is responsible (with Bush) for starting some Iraqi ‘crusade’, there were enough Americans and moderate Iraqis on the ground post Abu Ghraib warning of what they were seeing e.g. the beginning of an organised group, that at that time where NOT listened to, for Blair to be blamed for DIRECTLY forming ISIS, again IMO.

There are around 20 countries/diplomats in Vienna today talking about the Syrian crisis, including a key Iran who has invested $$billions supporting President Assad of Syria directly and via their Hezbollah and Afghan mercenaries - who would not have been able to UNTIL they (arguably) gave up nuclear power ambitions.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34673535

So who are the main players to STOP the war in Syria and increasing Syrian refugee crisis, as yet more bombs are being dropped on the non ISIS participants.

• So on one side there is the key Sunni Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Europe, and Turkey are lining up.

• On the other, there is Shia Iran, Russia, and increasingly Iraq.

But as far as I can see neither Syria, or the other non government fighters representing the vast majority of Syrian Sunni people are in the meeting, neither (obviously) ISIS who wouldn’t just crash the meeting, they’d attempt to blow it up.

So not one party currently fighting on the ground, is being directly represented in that meeting, with so many volatile participants with vested interests within, that with all the irate hand gestures, it will be a miracle if no one gets their eye poked out.

It is on this rabble that the fate of the Syrian refugees, nearly 12-million displaced, depends on reaching some agreement. God willing (but with two hopes).

It appears that the Vienna meeting on Syria’s future can be considered a success, with ‘common ground’ established; when everything was on the table to every participant, INCLUDING President Assad’s future, and they are ALL coming back again soon, even talking about who else should attend.

"Nations agree to disagree on Assad's future in Syria"

”Major powers to meet again in two weeks for a new round of talks as US announces deployment of troops to fight ISIL.”
www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/10/vienna-talks-syria-agree-disagree-assad-151030163430369.html

The curious thing about Assad’s supporters wishes for his future (post ISIS), is that they believe a Syrian democratic vote should decide his future – and yet the rights of ALL within, regardless of religion/ethnicity, will be upheld.

So how on Assad’s scorched earth can a President who only really represents less than 20% of his citizens (as directly, or indirectly through his mercenaries, he tried to kill the rest), be expected to WIN a fair election??

There were 23 million people in Syria, but with cities/towns completely destroyed and already 12 million mainly Sunnis displaced (and likely to increase), where does an Assad administration send every citizens ballot papers, and place the ballot boxes?

Clearly if Assad’s supporters believe they’ll get a result when in a fair election he could only be assured of 1 in 5 votes, its gottabe a scam.