Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

[Whoknewitcouldbeso]

I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

'You do realise some of these "phoney rebels" are people who want the freedoms for their children which we take for granted.'

I don't think so. I think they are paid stooges working for foreign funders and backers. The rebels Putin bombed were CAI backed ones, the news said. Without foreign funding and arming there would be no Syrian rebels, just Al Qaeda and Isis and all the foreign ones, whoi are also funded.

'A quarter of a million human beings have lost their lives and millions more have lost their homes and their normality.'

Absolutely and it is disgusting and who do you think is responsible for that, who do you think armed the parties and paid for it and allowed free access via Turkey for resupply and who do you think buys oil from Isis that keeps them going?

To watch hypocrites on the world stage go to meetings and drink champagne and sit back for 4 years while hundreds of thousands are killed and millions are made homeless and to blame Assad for it, is frankly obscene.

Now it will end as Pat Buchanan says because finally someone has said that Isis is enemy no 1, not Assad.

"House approves US arms for Syrian rebels

Vote to authorize Obama plan went through but with sizable cross-party opposition

September 17, 2014 8:00PM ET

The House of Representatives has approved President Barack Obama's plan to train and arm Syrian rebels that the U.S. classify as moderate, but questions remain over whether Washington will hand over advanced weapons that such groups say they need in order to defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)."

america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/17/congress-arming-syriarebels.html

America and other countries have intervened in a soverign state, represented on the UN, and has armed rebels who oppose the legitimate government of that state. They have stoked the uprising and without American help there would be no armed uprising.

As Pat Buchanan says

"Perhaps it is time to climb down off our ideological high horse and start respecting the vital interests of other sovereign nations"

What is the legality of bombing a soverign country or arming an opposition against a UN government. Is that war, a declaration of war against a country or some fudge?

Claig friends of my DGM children, have joined the FSA, as they want to express their political opinions without fear of retribution.

I hope they are still with us. There are jihadis backed by foreign powers in Syria without a doubt but you would be naive/ignorant to believe that all the opposition is.

Out of interest what are your connections to the ME?

'friends of my DGM children, have joined the FSA, as they want to express their political opinions without fear of retribution.'

Are they fighting their government? Killing their own people?

If our government was under attack by foreign funded rebels and foreign trained rebels in our cities and foreign countries were buying oil from them and training them, then I would say those rebels were traitors to our country.

'Out of interest what are your connections to the ME?'

Absolutely none at all. I base all my politics on morality and what is right, just like Pat Buchanan.

'Out of interest what are your connections to the ME?'

Unlike you, who do have family connections to the Middle East.

I was just curious.

I do have familial ties to the ME that's perhaps why I feel uncomfortable with your dehumanising of the Syrian Opposition.

Yes there are Jihadis but there are lots of educated people who wish to live in a secular country where they can question their government.

'As TIME reports here, disorder and distrust plague two of the rebels’ international patrons: Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The two Gulf powerhouses are no longer on the same page when it comes to determining who among the plethora of mushrooming Syrian rebel groups should be armed. The rift surfaced in August, with the alleged Saudi and Qatari representatives in charge of funneling free weaponry to the rebels clearly backing different factions among the groups — including various shades of secular and Islamist militias — under the broad umbrella that is the Free Syrian Army (FSA).'

world.time.com/2012/09/18/syrias-secular-and-islamist-rebels-who-are-the-saudis-and-the-qataris-arming/

You would have to be ignorant/naive not to realise that these FSA rebels are being backed by foreign countries against their own people and their own government. A 4 year war could not be maintained against a government's army without foreign help and collusion. The funders of the rebels and Jihaids are responsible for the continuation of this war over 4 years and the EU turned a blind eye to it until the refugee crisis hit them. Only now have we seen the process of termination of this awful war.

'I do have familial ties to the ME that's perhaps why I feel uncomfortable with your dehumanising of the Syrian Opposition.'

I am not dehumanising them. I said they are funded by foreign powers and I think they are traitors to their country, just as I think that British Jihadis who fight our country are traitors to our country.

'Yes there are Jihadis but there are lots of educated people who wish to live in a secular country where they can question their government.'

Are they taking up arms against their fellow citizens in the government's army? Assad wanst a deal. He doesn't want Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia to ruin anything he has left in his country or to bankrupt his tired country after 4 years of fighting back against foreign funded Jihadis.

What has been done to Libya would be done to Syria if Isis defeat Assad. If Isis win, the atrocities will be like nothing we have seen as they kill Christians, Kurds, Druze and Alawites and many more people would have to flee Syria to vacate it for the terrorists. The FSA is not a capable army. It has repeatedly defected to Al Qaeda and Isis and has repeatedly been beaten by them as Saudi Arabia and Qatar play off their favourite groups of Jihadis against each other.

'with the alleged Saudi and Qatari representatives in charge of funneling free weaponry to the rebels clearly backing different factions among the groups '

The FSA are incapable of running Syria and defeating Isis and Al Qaeda. Only Assad's army has proved itself capable by hanging on for 4 years against the foreign funded militias.

Everyone with a heart knows that if Isis win, it will be a massacre. It is unthinkable and that is why Admiral Lord West and many of our moral military are saying that Assad will have to be talked to and dealt with because the bigger threat is Isis.

It is a matter of morality. The moral thing to do is to fight the greater evil. I don't think the President of Syria, a UN member country, is more evil than the beheading butchers of Isis.

Here is another of our moral military leaders, former Head of the British Army. Thank God we have moral people like him and the former Head of our Navy, Admiral Lord West, in our country. Imagine if we only had politicians giving advice.

"Britain must talk to dictator Assad to defeat Isil, says former head of the Army

General Lord Dannatt, former head of British Army, says West must co-operate with Syrian dictator to defeat Isil "

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11050367/Britain-must-talk-to-dictator-Assad-to-defeat-Isil-says-former-head-of-the-Army.html

This is the last time going to respond to one of your posts.

Do you not see the hypocrisy of your daily complaints of the establishment in this country but you do not afford the same freedoms to those of other nations.

You can call me an ickyist or a conspiracy theorist or what you will but the establishment in this country throw us a bone in Farage and Corby to make us feel like what we think actually matters.

And the "Piers Gaverstons" and "teenage whizz kids" of this world are not who you need to watch but the Bilderberg and the Carlysle Group

General Lord Dannatt said that a year ago. They didn't listen and many more people have died and been displaced in the intervening year.

It is shameful that this is only finally ending due to the EU refugee crisis, but in a bad world, that at least is some good.

'Do you not see the hypocrisy of your daily complaints of the establishment in this country but you do not afford the same freedoms to those of other nations.'

Not at all. I don't like the Establishment but I don't take arms up against my own country funded by foreign powers or I would be a traitor.

'You can call me an ickyist or a conspiracy theorist or what you will but the establishment in this country throw us a bone in Farage and Corby to make us feel like what we think actually matters.'

Maybe. I am a conspiracy theorist myself, so I know that anything is possible.

'And the "Piers Gaverstons" and "teenage whizz kids" of this world are not who you need to watch but the Bilderberg and the Carlysle Group'

I know that. They are all puppets in the employ of Bilderberg and higher forces. That's life. That is how it works. There is nothing we can do about it but moan.

'This is the last time going to respond to one of your posts.'

Good. Then you won't be calling me ignorant or naive anymore.

Wannabestepfordwife .... claig is not ignorant or naive.

I realised that a while ago, claigs political "hypocrisy" of anti government/class comments here, the anti EU and indeed the supporting of any Russian policy - as it has done on the Ukraine, Israel, and clearly Syria despite the casualties - can only make sense due to the following;

Salutin’ Putin; inside a Russian Troll House.

Former workers tell how hundreds of bloggers are paid to flood forums and social networs at home and abroad with anti-western and pro-Kremlin comments
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

They painted a picture of a work environment that was humourless and draconian, with fines for being a few minutes late or not reaching the required number of posts each day. Trolls worked in rooms of about 20 people, each controlled by three editors, who would check posts and impose fines if they found the words had been cut and pasted, or were ideologically deviant.

The trolls worked in teams of three. The first one would leave a complaint about some problem or other, or simply post a link, then the other two would wade in, using links to articles on Kremlin-friendly websites and “comedy” photographs lampooning western or Ukrainian leaders with abusive captions.

The most prestigious job in the agency is to be an English-language troll, for which the pay is 65,000 roubles. Last year, the Guardian’s readers’ editor said he believed there was an “orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign” on the newspaper’s comment boards.

Clearly claig has special permission to 'cut and paste', as needs to on an industrial scale to move pages off uncomfortable reading, which is why I don't 'reason' with it, I goad it, with factual anti Russian comments KNOWING full well that if claig ONCE criticised Putin - it would end up on one of the Russian fronts - to me its a sport lol.

But read the article, it becomes clear how they work on Mumsnet.

Constant troll hunting which is against MN guidleines and ruins any discussion as it ends up full of accusations of trollery. But we all know that is all you have because you don't understand what people like General Lord Dannatt or Admiral Lord West say.

You have been too busy over 40 years holding a glass to the wall in the janitors' room of the Abu Dhabi Soverign Wealth Fund trying to pick up some "financial market" knowledge.

It used to be the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, S.A.M.A in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait it was the Kuwait Investment Authority, overlooking K.I.C., K.I.I.C, KFTCIC and in London they had the K.I.O. (Kuwait Investment Office) - I never visited Russia as they had feck all other than vodka.

Changing the subject eh?

Come on indulge me, write on this board now (without getting a kremlin signiture first ); Putin is a cross between a violent dwarf and a hairless pussy.

Easy enough.

'It used to be the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, S.A.M.A in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait it was the Kuwait Investment Authority, overlooking K.I.C., K.I.I.C, KFTCIC and in London they had the K.I.O. (Kuwait Investment Office)'

So you could read the nameplate on the building, what's that got to do with your role in the organisation?

'Changing the subject eh?'

No, I replied to your accusations of being a Russian troll and then mocked your 40 years Middle East knowledge and "financial market" expertise.

I try not to descend to that level of debate. it is a serious political and News board.

........waiting.

'overlooking K.I.C., K.I.I.C, KFTCIC and in London they had the K.I.O'

But what has that got to do with your employ? I thought you were at KFC

Busted. comrade.

Yeah I was a janitor at KFC.

Repeat after me: *Putin is a cross between a violent dwarf and a hairless pussy.^

'Yeah I was a janitor at KFC'

I know

Trolls worked in rooms of about 20 people, each controlled by three editors, who would check posts and impose fines if they found the words had been cut and pasted, or were ideologically deviant.

Is there panic in 'da house', supervisor seeing their life/career flash before them - blaming you?

Repeat after me: Putin is a cross between a violent dwarf and a hairless pussy.

God bless the UK, the West and democracy, where we are free to say exactly what we want.