Do you think now the world has it's eyes opened to the true horror unfolding in Syria, they will now actually do something about ISIS?

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I know efforts are being made by some nations to try and counteract ISIS with the aid of drones and counter intelligence but I wonder if the refugee crisis may serve to instigate some direct action by more of the World's heavyweights?

I have just read the story of how Aylan's father has traveled back to Kobane to bury his family and has no intention of leaving the country again. It is his home and he was only leaving to try and save his family after 11 of his extended family were murdered by ISIS. There has been so much talk about migrants and asylum seekers and trying to help those who are fleeing, but most of these people would not be fleeing if it wasn't for the fact that they fear for their lives.

Surely we should be doing more to make their own country safe or do you think that's not possible and the only solution is to allow the ethnic cleansing to carry on taking place.

www.sott.net/article/302911-Sott-Exclusive-Full-unedited-text-of-Vladimir-Putins-interview-with-Charlie-Rose-What-CBS-left-out

Yes, because Germany wants the war over so that the refugees stop coming and it doesn't care how Putin does it for them. The reason we are seeing all this activity and negotiations etc is because Germany has had enough of this Jihadi instability which is destabilsing Germany itself.

Germany is ALWAYS looking to appease Russia, its economy relies on Russia too much, which is why an EU army proposed by Germany/Merkel would be as toothless as a Gummy Bear.

As Syria has had more of its citizens killed and displaced by its President - who knows he has totes pissed of 80% of his population by trying to kill them - he will never regain control of his OWN population, even with worse Human Rights abuse than in the past 40-years keeping them in line.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Syria

Here we go, announced around 10 minutes ago – Iranians (who have threatened to wipe Israel from existence) landing in Syria that borders Israel e.g. Golan Heights – and Israel warned in the UN last week that THEY would enter Syria if felt threatened by Iran, Hezbollah, or any other Chuckle brother from the same muvver.

Oct 1st; Exclusive: Assad allies, including Iranians, prepare ground attack in Syria – sources
uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/01/us-mideast-crisis-syria-iranians-idUKKCN0RV4DN20151001

Hundreds of Iranian troops have arrived in Syria in the last 10 days and will soon join government forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies in a major ground offensive backed by Russian air strikes, two Lebanese sources told Reuters.

"The (Russian) air strikes will in the near future be accompanied by ground advances by the Syrian army and its allies," said one of the sources familiar with political and military developments in the conflict.

If the Gulf States (and West) want to get ahead of this, they need to flood their own borders with troops and military hardware - especially the GCC Gulf States under direct threat - with reserves on notice.

Israel with Iran (now) on its doorstep militarily propping up all of Assad's interests, they have to assume that will include border areas (they had skirmishes with a few years back), will be ahead of that game.

'If the Gulf States (and West) want to get ahead of this, they need to flood their own borders with troops and military hardware - especially the GCC Gulf States under direct threat - with reserves on notice.'

Clueless. It is a done deal, it has been agreed, it's over. Germany wants it ended. The Saudis have been sidelined.

P.S. On the announcement that Hezbollah was directly involved, Corbyn on his way to Scotland, has taken the time to sent old friends both his best wishes and promises to continue the Labour 'struggle', to stop Cameron bombing the Syrian 'bad guys'. lol

Tory MP Julian Lewis said on BBC World at One something like the vote to bomb Syria and Cameron's wish to bomb Syria would now be a pointless gesture and would risk us getting sucked in.

It's over just as Cameron's talk about Assad needing to be removed "with hard military force".

Claig .... do you want to put that Cameron quote in context Sparky, actually as a Russian mouthpiece, probably not.

PMQT; 9th Septenmber,

"The prime minister said: “She talks about going to the causes of these crises. She is absolutely right about that. We have to be frank, particularly the eastern Mediterranean crisis is because Assad has butchered his own people and because Isil [Isis] have in their own way butchered others, and millions have fled Syria."

“We can do all we can as the moral humanitarian nation taking people, spending money on aid and helping in refugee camps. But we have to be part of the international alliance that says we need an approach in Syria which will mean we have a government that can look after its people. Assad has to go, Isil has to go. Some of that will require not just spending money, not just aid, not just diplomacy but it will on occasion require hard military force.”

Re Tory MP Julian Lewis hardly pointless, but I see his point.

Just think how many tens of thousands free Syrian citizens would be alive, and how many millions not displaced, if parliament had given Cameron permission a few years back to STOP Assad bombing and shelling his own citizens, just because after 40-years they wanted basics and rights, not just Human Rights, after 40-years of Assad oppression - and the U.S. then followed our inaction, thinking as the UK MPs couldn't be bothered, why should they?

'but it will on occasion require hard military force.”'

So on how many occasions does he think will it require "hard military force" to remove Assad? Isn't once enough? Or is he intending to do it weekly?

'if parliament had given Cameron permission a few years back to STOP Assad bombing'

You aren't really naive enough to believe that Obama gives two hoots about what Cameron decides do you? Do you think Obama's plans are derailed by Cameron and the modernisers? If Cameron had bombed, it would have been a disaster which is why Farage advised against it.

'Assad has to go, Isil has to go.'

Go where? And how is he going to do it? Is it the "on occasion" "hard military force"?

Clueless. It is a done deal, it has been agreed, it's over. Germany wants it ended. The Saudis have been sidelined.

Germany has nothing to do with anything in the Gulf, as how many troops have they sent to the region in the decades since Rommel and his Africa Corps? lol

The Sunni Saudi Arabians CANNOT be sidelined, they have Shia Iranian sponsored forces getting every closer on several borders - and similar to Israel will now have heavily armed Iranians DIRECTLY on a large border with an agenda.

'Assad has to go, Isil has to go.'

Go where? And how is he going to do it? Is it the "on occasion" "hard military force"?

Clearly on September 9th, as others stepped up the war on ISIS, he was going to ensure that when he came to the UK parliament again to authorise UK bombing etc, he was guaranteed to get it. Simples.

Sky reporting that "Saudi Arabia has demanded an immediate end to Russian military action".

The Saudis don't really understand what is going on. They think they have some influence.

'Germany has nothing to do with anything in the Gulf'

Yeah, you're right, you understand world affairs.

'The Sunni Saudi Arabians CANNOT be sidelined, they have Shia Iranian sponsored forces getting every closer on several borders - and similar to Israel will now have heavily armed Iranians DIRECTLY on a large border with an agenda.'

And? So what? What do you think they are going to do about it unless America helps them and I am not sure it will help them?

According to Al-Jazeera right now, there is a meeting of all the Western and Gulf allies within the next hour, to put together various strategies.

I guess they don't think that it is all over.

Sky reporting that if the Iraqi government asked the Russians to help them fight Isis in Iraq, then the Russians would look favourably on the request. Now we will see Isis ended. Putin will succeed in doing it.

'According to Al-Jazeera right now, there is a meeting of all the Western and Gulf allies within the next hour, to put together various strategies.'

Of course. They have to reassure the Saudis, but I doubt it wil be anything concrete to help them and stop Putin's anti-Isis coalition finishing the Jihadis off where America (bombing Isis for 1 year) have failed to do so. All the pretence has been dropped and now Isis will be wiped out, and not before time.

Oh and it is all because of Germany and for the sake of the EU.

And? So what? What do you think they (the Saudis) are going to do about it unless America helps them and I am not sure it will help them?

Militarily they (the Saudis) have decent hardware, probably more and better quality planes than Russia - already outnumbered by U.S. aircraft in the region.

Peacefully, as a start, why not get the GCC States to flood the markets with oil down to $10 a barrel until Russia withdraws, and reimpose every Iranian sanction that was always seen as a temporary 'suck-it-and-see' measure?

'Militarily they (the Saudis) have decent hardware, probably more and better quality planes than Russia - already outnumbered by U.S. aircraft in the region.'

Yeah, right. The Saudis are petrified of the Iranians and need to use their money to pay for Eqypt and Pakistan help them fight and bomb the Yemenis. But you are right, the Russians are no match for the Saudis.

'Peacefully, as a start, why not get the GCC States to flood the markets with oil down to $10 a barrel until Russia withdraws, and reimpose every Iranian sanction that was always seen as a temporary 'suck-it-and-see' measure?'

Because it won't stop Russia and Iran and will end up bankrupting the Saudis who need as much oil revenue as they can get to fund their Jihadis.

"Could falling oil prices BANKRUPT resource-rich Saudi Arabia?

FALLING oil prices pose a huge threat to the economic stability of Saudi Arabia and could even push the Middle Eastern state into bankruptcy in the next few years."

www.express.co.uk/finance/city/596555/Could-falling-oil-prices-BANKRUPT-resource-rich-Saudi-Arabia

America's Mid-East policy is changing as the Iranian deal shows and the Saudis are worried they may not have backers in the future. The Saudis hold none of the cards and the ones they do hold, they have to play carefully.

Re your; Sky reporting that if the Iraqi government asked the Russians to help them fight Isis in Iraq, then the Russians would look favourably on the request. Now we will see Isis ended. Putin will succeed in doing it.

Claig ... of course they will, let me repeat below what I said on the previous page - you don't have to have followed old Soviet Union and Middle East politics for 40-years like I have to see that shit coming - hence as I said, there will be a massive Western military counter balance now put in place with current allies._

"The danger to the West is this Russia-Iran-Iran-Jordan block threatening the other (rich) Sunni Gulf States - more than Iran influence via Shia citizens in other countries is already doing - but also Turkey and Israel will feel threatened as well."

"Could falling oil prices BANKRUPT resource-rich Saudi Arabia?

You have obviously never heard of Sovereign Wealth Funds, I have visited most of them, so while Middle East countries may be running annual budget deficits, their pockets are d-e-e-p.

'you don't have to have followed old Soviet Union and Middle East politics for 40-years like I have to see that shit coming - hence as I said, _there will be a massive Western military counter balance now put in place with current allies.'

That just shows how little you managed to glean of world affairs in your 40 year period of fruitless erudition. You could have just asked, I'd have given you the score in a couple of minutes. But you knew better.

'You have obviously never heard of Sovereign Wealth Funds, I have visited most of them'

Being a janitor in a Sovereign Wealth Fund hardly qualifies you to understand what is going on.

' their pockets are d-e-e-p'

But they won't be deep if there is a war and they would be very stupid to risk it enough though you would tell them that they have better planes than the Russians.

Russia - Shia Iran - Shia Iraq - Shia Syria.

Syria is actually Alawite, which is a branch of Shia, but you get my drift - but connected to Russia for over 40-years - which is probably around the last time Russia had an air base in the Middle East.

As you know, the Russian people yearn for those good old Cold War days, small man, big ego Putin gives them what they want.