The situation with migrants and illegal immigration

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What is the answer?

I would hate to be in the position of making the decision because I hate to think of how desperate the individuals concerned must be.

But I can also quite see that there simply isn't the physical room to allow all of them into the UK, or the resources.

What is the answer? Is there no answer?

Well the traffickers are responsible for today's news.... Maybe extra 'policing' of borders/harbours etc. at least if. They are stopped then migrants don't risk a terrible death as reported today

But that just keeps them stuck from crossing

What's the answer?
I had a weekend in the quintessentially English Southwold seaside town and overheard a conversation on this exact subject.

"We should just machine gun them all"

Personally, I think since the plight of people in Syria, Afghanistan, Lybia, etc etc (not to mention ISIS) is largely the fault of the USA They should bloody sort it out.

As it happens, these war refugees are flocking to the shores of Greece, Italy, Kent and trying to hijack a death-ride through the channel tunnel.

So really, responsibly we should at least provide refuge to which they are legally entitled to by UN Law, even if it's in the form of basic shelters and access to food banks.

Basic shelters wouldn't detain them tho. Most would simply disappear into the country unnoticed

Agree Macadamia

The answer is somehow stop those in the Middle East/North Africa leaving their continent for Europe - as the majority would rather stay where they are.

Currently politicians blame 'traffickers' but the problem could be deeper, as those who would like to destabilize the West and have no tolerance for Muslim, Christian or other 'non believers' of their branch of Islam e.g. ISIS, could achieve both their long term aims by forcing them to move from one continent to the other.

An unhappy refugee/citizen could then more easily become a radicalized refugee/citizen.

This may sound a bit U-kipper fishy, but the likes of ISIS have been shown that they think medium to long term strategies like that, say by ruining the tourist trade/economies of surrounding Muslim countries where they have internal fundamentalist support i.e. Tunisia and Turkey.

Weak economies and dissatisfied citizens be they in Europe, Africa or the Middle East, breeds discontent, as the conflicts/wars of the 20th century have shown.

isit that makes sense, had never thought of it that way

Agree with Isitme the refugee's may well be pawns in the game's of those who see the west as the enemy

I worked in multicultural companies, I spent a lot of time travelling the Middle East enjoying their culture/character in that past life so it bothers me to see the conflicts there now - and even in the wealthier countries, we may not have their refugees, but serious problems are bubbling under the surface.

But I do think we underestimate the likes of Syria's Assad with an 18% I believe minority Alawite (branch of Shiite) power base, and ISIS - both want Syria 'emptied' of moderate Sunni Muslims for their own reasons.

Look deeper into other countries, if not religious, an inability to feed all their people could encourage regimes to force out those they don't want, so aid might help.

The refugees come from so many places, I'm sure we could pin down an agenda for each country, if we tried.

Its frightening. For all of us

I don't know what the answer is but I feel so very sorry for these people who are so desperate.

For a start I would try to get the correct infomation to those countries ( surely it must be being done .) ...or maybe not seeing as so many come over with images of what they will given, and what Europe is actually like.
The traffickers must have a great network - pr going into the worst hit places painting lovely pictures of what it will be , those helping them over the borders and then of course loading them on boats . Those are the people that should be targeted but you never read about what efforts are being used to stop them. Then in the centres that are being used to hold the poor boat people better back checks should be used to see if they are genuine or whatever ....no idea how but ISIS will be getting in as they don't care if they die crossing as they are dying a hero anyway . Its a fucking mess and the whole world should be looking to help and sort this in some way or another...its not just going to go away its going to get worse and worse....

The traffickers must have a great network
As with the elicit drugs trade, the potential for large profits acts as a magnet for enterprising criminals, networks pretty much spontaneously self organize, and self repair.

Personally, I think since the plight of people in Syria, Afghanistan, Lybia, etc etc (not to mention ISIS) is largely the fault of the USA

It's easy to blame America, but without disagreeing they they should shoulder a great deal of the blame, the UK has been in there, sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq, right from the start. We can't offload our share of the responsibility, so easily, I'm afraid.

And, with respect to the OP, I want to point out quite strongly;

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO SEEK ASYLUM - IT IS A HUMAN RIGHT!

I think you are right Isit. Maybe not now but eventually I think the UK may become like the Balkans. I think there will be too many people with different ideologies on an overcrowded island.

If this was pre September 2007, I believe that 'the world' could have stepped up to solve the problem, but the financial/economic crash and a European (Eurozone) economy 8-years later still with over 11% unemployment, means most countries are looking around (while scratching their arse) for 'a plan' - when due to the ongoing size of asylum problem there cannot be one, in the West.

Full marks to 'open door' Sweden (with social problems building up there) and Germany who have needed and had the structure (homes) for migrant Turkish labour for decades now, but it is not so easy for the others with their own economic/social problems.

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These sorts of problems are surely just inherent to a world with such vast inequality?
The first world cannot insulate itself from the 'bottom billion'?

Nothing to to with 'inequality' and the bottom billions, as while Syria may not be oil rich, no one can say the Middle East Region is 'poor' and their indigenous populations were strarving, the main problem there is Muslim, Sunni versus Shia, and the extreamism of ISIS.

So this migration monster was unleashed by the chain of events which gave birth to ISIS?

Superb posts, Isitme especially this:

An unhappy refugee/citizen could then more easily become a radicalized refugee/citizen

As so many of us have said, no right minded person would object to supporting genuine asylum seekers who've come here directly, but too many appear to be simply economic migrants instead. FWIW there's nothing wrong with wanting to build a better life elsewhere - people have done it since the beginning of time - but for everyone's sake there has to be some sort of control in place to avoid destabilisation

can we PLEASE stop referring to these people as migrants.

I have no solutions but someone up thread alluded to 'camps' providing basic accommodation pending paperwork.

My only experience is Jordan, home to ? No of Palestinians. Same with Lebanon. They are not entitled to vote. Terrible burden on host States and seem to becoming permanent.

As I said, no solutions.

So where are Germany housing these people?

I will hold my hand up and concede k have no idea what the correct terminology is. I went with migrants as that's used by the media and I am posting in 'in the news'

We need to start allowing these people to claim asylum in Britain. We need a proper system set up.

Other European countries take far more refugees than Britain.

Saw this picture today. She has a baby in her arms.

We need to step up but yet again this government is showing that it cannot organise anything.