poor baby

[alexa1]

sorry is this has already been posted.
how awful.
this

I honestly don't think some people should be allowed to procreate.

The look on that little baby's face. My 10-month-old daughter has that look often - so quizzical.

It melts my heart and makes me want to go and pick her up.

swimming against the tide here, but have you no compassion for this woman?

i think it is right that she should be prosecuted, and i am not denying her culpability, but she's been the victim of an abusive relationship, and she's lost her child, for god's sake.

Agree to a point MM. He is more guilty than she is.
It's just awful though, whichever way you look at it

I have got goosebumps reading that story, that poor, poor child. His short life was not filled with love but with terror from some evil b**rd who abused and killed him.

Marymillington - no, I don't have compassion for this woman, she could have left him and saved her son, there are many domestic violence support groups out there that could have helped her get away from him and ultimately saved that little boys life.

RIP little Aaron

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i cant have compassion for the woman, she allowed that beast to harm her baby, i cant believe she stayed, knowing her hated and had hurt her baby before, id kill any human that hurt my baby.
i seriously hope they both get all they deserve in prison, i only wish they could be forced to have their reproductive organs ripped out to stop this happening again, they do deserve to be able to have a baby.

DONT deserve, crap typing

anyone who has been in an abusive relationship knows that - support organisations or not - getting out of it is not always that easy.

she should definitely held to account for her stupidity and negligence - but she will be feeling the pain of the loss of her child as acutely as anyone who has lost a baby. for that i feel she deserves some compassion.

lanismum i'm shocked by the violence of your words.

well im shocked by the violence towards an innocent baby.

who could fail to be?

that's not the point.

that beautiful baby ,
the boyfriend looked like a psycho , something very wrong with that woman to allow that to happen

mm-i have been in an abusive relationship and my xh threatened my ds.i didnt go out and leave him with him,i never let him out of my sight and i went to the DV support centre and a solicitor and got all the help i could in getting the b*d out of my house and my childrens lives.

so no,i have no compassion for the bitch,and this is coming from somebody who's experienced domestic abuse.

lanis - I back your opinion 100%.

divastrop, you're obviously a very strong person, its the absolute tragedy in this case that the mother in question was not. she will have to live with the loss of her child, and with the hideous knowledge that she allowed him to die in such an awful way for the rest of her life.

i know this is an emotive, shocking subject but i don't think that fantasising about violent punishments is particularly helpful.

cheers pimms!
mm, not going to get into online bickering, as quite franky i cant be bothered, will will have to agree to disagree, i should never have opened this thread, but just to add i dont sit there fantasising about violent punishments, and im not the only person on this thread that has said they should not be allowed to have any more children, i just put it in a more graphic way, sorry for any offence.

not wanting to start a fight lanis, sorry to have singled you out.

I agree with mm actually, I do have soem compassion for the mother, though I do thnk it is right that she will be jailed too. Whereas he was cruel, I don't know if she realy was, jsut bloody stupid in turning a blind eye to what was going on. She never expected him to kill her baby, and right up until he changed his plea to guilty she still thought that he hadn't done it.
I guess I have compassion though because I've been in that situation with a partner hurting my children. Certainly nothing anywhere near that scale, but he was smacking them behind my back, and generally stressed and being too heavy handed with them. I wonder how much she knew of what was going on - if she realised the full extent of his violence. The fact taht she allowed her son to remain with him unsupervised indicates that she probably didn't. My children have been placed on the child protection register because of my dp, but I had no idea of what was really happneing until ss intervened and the children told the police what had happened. I don't leave my children with my dp unsupervised now. We live apart now too. He is making a huge effort and things are 100% better now, but the trust will take time to build up, both from the children and me.

I think it is terrible that ss didn't intervene and I am totally shocked. They were on our doorstep like a shot when there was indications of abuse of my children, and I am grateful for that, because it gave me the chance to find out what had happened and dp moved out and had no contact at all with my kids for a while. I really cannot understand why they thought a letter would be sufficient!

How terrible. But like mm and Kelly I do feel compassion for the poor mother. She didn't believe he had really done it until he changed his plea. Victims of domestic violence often aren't thinking straight, partly because they are in a situation where the violent person undermines them and makes them think they are worthless, stupid or incapable.

I think there's something in us which makes us want to lash out at mothers, or women - failing to protect your child is somehow seen as a bigger crime than being the person who attacked them. Maybe we expect women to be caring but accept that some men are violent - we expect a higher standard of behaviour from women, or a greater responsibity. Look at the Soham murders - it's Maxine Carr who is villified even though she wasn't the murderer.

She must have know what was going on as her baby was covered in bruises and over 50 injuries on his body. The relationship wasn't even that long judging by this para: "Lewis told the trial that Lloyd had initially been "brilliant" with the baby but that within weeks of him moving in problems emerged. Eight weeks later Aaron was dead."

Oh thank god, a few reasoned, intelligent, thoughtful posts about this. Of course it's repellent that she left the poor baby with this awful man, but talking about retribution doesn't give us any understanding and therefore capability of stopping this sort of event.

We don't know anything about her background. Quite often, children who have grown up in a violent household go on to form violent relationships themselves and have no idea of what is normal or reasonable. "Battered Wife Syndrome" as it used to be called (I don't know if it still is) is a known phenomenon whereby people get psychologically locked into behaviour patterns they have no control over.

I'm shocked that people have so little inclination to think a bit further and deeper than "what a fucking bitch, let's rip her to bits." It's the internet equivalent of those mad women who go and bay and scream at police vans taking criminals into court.

Poor baby I say. How horrific to be treated like that.

"Lewis acknowledged that the baby became terrified of Lloyd. She had seen Lloyd flicking his ears and feet when he cried, picking him up by his ears and ankles and throwing him onto a bed and settee.

But, she told the court, in spite of that she had trusted Lloyd

would you?

Of course I wouldn't, but I'm not psychologically incapable am I. Whereas this poor woman obviously was.

robertcatesby - i agree with your post. she saw the boyfriend flicking the babys ears when he cried and picking him up by his ears and throwing on the settee, surely that is enough of an indication that he was a violent brute and any mother would of kicked him out on his arse.

she was thick as shit if she couldnt see it, and to say she trusted him, what happened to that poor baby was inevitable i'm afraid with a thick mother like that.

As someone else said, she could of found help from someone, a friend, family member, an organisation, surely someone could of helped.

what about the baby's father, i know we dont really know what happened and everything, but she could of given the baby to him. But like i said, we dont know what happened with her and the babys father.

this sort of crime will always go on unfortunately.

I don't feel any compassion for her whatsoever. she put her relationship before her child and any woman who does that doesnt deserve kids.

Thats awful, how can someone do that to a little baby. I really hope the rest of his life isnt worth living. Evil scum. I agree with what people are saying, about him getting hell in prison. My mum and brother would disagree with me saying thatt. When Ian Huntly had boiling water thrown at him in prison, I had no remorse for him, I think he deserved it and I was glad it happened. My mum and brother think its wrong and that you can't justify foul behaviour with more foul behaviour, which is true but I cant help but wish horrible things on people like him.
As for the mother, why on earth would she leave her baby with a monster like him. Letting her little boy live in complete fear of this man is terrible. Its unnatural for a mother to allow this, surely if you saw someone pick your baby up by the ears your immediate reaction would be to protect your baby and want to kill that person. Well I would. If someone came into my home and tried treating my son like that, I dont know what id do, but doing nothing certainly wouldnt be one of them.

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oh my god. words fail me.