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Comments of dress and rape

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Blandmum · 27/10/2006 12:09

Cleric suspended for his comments linking dress to rape

I am very pleased that the mosque comittee has suspended him for 3 months to ponder on the inadvisability of his comments. Postivie too was the way the Australian muslim community has condemned him.

His comments linking uncovered women to 'meat' were utterly repugnant

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AnguaVonUberwald · 27/10/2006 13:58

I have to say I do think he should be fired, not just suspended.

Whoowhoobewhooooooh · 27/10/2006 14:12

Pinotmum: I think it's very important that we laugh at men like this.

I'm not saying that this sort of issue shouldn't be dealt with seriously: they've been far too lenient with him IMO: but I believe that laughing and belittling through humour are society's best weapons against such extremist views.

Megglevache · 27/10/2006 14:14

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Megglevache · 27/10/2006 14:16

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Blandmum · 27/10/2006 14:16

I also agree that lauging at the sad, pathetic excuse for a human is an excellent way to deal with him.

Do you know I hardly ever wear make up, but this arse has made me want to do the full No7 number and go out dallying.

Christ , this is why we had Women Reclaim the Nights marches in the 70s FFS! £0 odd years one and twisting idiots like this are still peddeling the same offesive, damaging claptrap!

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Monkeytrousers · 27/10/2006 14:18

It's a very controversial area, but I'd like to look at some stats to see if 'stranger' rape is less prevalent in societies (and cultures) where women do traditionally cover up and are chaperoned.

Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not making any judgements but statistically rape is unfortunately linked to sexual attractiveness and the predominance of modest dress in some cultures may not exclusively be a solely patriarchal prescription, by matriarchal as well. I think it?s an interesting area.

I'd also like to see the predominance of 'acquaintance' and spousal rape in the same cultures, and compare them to 'western' stats.

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Blandmum · 27/10/2006 14:20

The man is still a prize ARSE tho isn't he. And offensive to boot. Do you know that this line was used as an excuse by a group of violent gang rapists in Austraila not that long ago?

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Whoowhoobewhooooooh · 27/10/2006 14:21

But Monkeytrousers, how are the statistics which include quantifying someone's 'attractiveness' compiled?

As I've always understood it, rape is generally far more about controlling and humiliating someone than it is about sex.

Thank god I've never experienced it myself.

Twohootsandapumpkin · 27/10/2006 14:22

I find his comments and mentality very scarey indeed

mumbleslikeazombiechum · 27/10/2006 14:23

Monkey trousers, I fear you may have difficulty finding the statistics you want, owing to the fact that in Islamic countries, if a woman is to prove that she's been raped, she needs to have 4 female eyewitnesses or 2 male eyewitnesses.

Monkeytrousers · 27/10/2006 14:24

Objectively, on age - women of child-bearing age are hugely over represented in rape statistics. I?m not talking pretty or plain. But very fundamental triggers of fecundity, which in women are all linked to relative youth.

hatetosayit · 27/10/2006 14:24

I can only speak for myself and family.

My dh's family live here (are from Pakistan and India)and from most of the elders I hear dreadful heart breaking stories of how the women who are new to the family learn very early on that they are there to satisfy not only their husbands but their relatives too.These are the same women who are chaperoned by other family members and covered up. FILs are notorious for raping their daughter in laws and the family that I am close to bless their lucky stars that they escaped here (I used to think they had a pretty poor quality of life but now see differently)

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Blandmum · 27/10/2006 14:25

and if she fails in her court case, she may be stoned to death for adultery in some (not I have said some) states that practice sharia law.

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wannaBe1974 · 27/10/2006 14:25

I think it's an interesting point mt, but I think the stats would potentially be flawed, as the punishments for rape in these countries are a lot harsher, the death penalty for rape in Saudi for instance I think, so it could be argued that the punishments were enough of a deterrent and therefore men would be less likely to commit such a crime knowing that they would be put to death if they were caught iyswim.

I would also imagine that it would be very difficult to obtain stats of how many spousal rapes occur in these countries as it's unlikely these women speak out. also, spousal rape might not be a crime in a country where women are effectively considered to be the property of their men. In fact, it was only fairly recently that it became illegal for a husband to rape his wife in this country.

Whoowhoobewhooooooh · 27/10/2006 14:25

Easier to keep domestic rape quiet, of course, if women do as their told and stay at home.

southeastastra · 27/10/2006 14:26

really hatetosayit??? awful

Whoowhoobewhooooooh · 27/10/2006 14:27

X posts with about 4 people there.

Monkeytrousers · 27/10/2006 14:27

I know Mumbles, tricky indeed.

Woowoo, I've always been a bit sus about the social science explaination fo rape being about power and not sex. Power is part of it yes, but I don't believe it is the motivating element. i think that's sex.

hatetosayit · 27/10/2006 14:29

Bloody awful isn't it. I remember asking my MIL once why she let her dh talk to her in such a demeaning manner and she looked at me and smiled and just said, he saved my life bringing me here, I would never have let his father near me if we'd stayed at home.

Monkeytrousers · 27/10/2006 14:29

Good points Wannabe. As a good feminist, I might just have a go anyway though

Pinotmum · 27/10/2006 14:40

Hatetosayit - that is awful

ruty · 27/10/2006 15:14

unfortunately mysogyny is not exclusive to [some? most?] Muslim men. Only a few years ago many English [Secular? Christian? not sure] Judges used to say the roughly the same thing about a woman 'deserving' rape if she dresses in a particular way, and probably many men still think it. I don't see how you can really rell about rape statistics in Muslim countries though. Many rapes in this country go unreported, and i suspect even more go unreported in some other countries.

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Blandmum · 27/10/2006 15:18

Oh I quite agree. No question at all. And if this arse had been christian, hindu, agnostic or atheist, I'd have posted it just the same. The fact that he is muslim is imamaterial. the fact that he as an offense to women and a downright danger is the reason I posted.

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lulumama · 27/10/2006 15:23

there may be less rape/ sexual assualt in states where hijab is worn...but how many more so called honour killings are there...and the hijab is being interpreted by these men as a way of protecting innocent men from these dallying hussies...who are the ones with the power !?!? absolutely bloody shocking....but not the view, i would imagine, of all muslims.....interesting that he is suggesting subjugating women for the good of society as women are too powerful...

sadly, a lot of people will presume that this is representative of how all of islam views women. the problem is that extremist views grab headlines, whereas reasoned and rational opinions don't

i would truly be concerend too about the comments he made re 9/11.....

ruty · 27/10/2006 15:26

yes i know MB.

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