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Charlotte Wyatt to go into foster care

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ginmummy · 16/10/2006 06:48

...because, according to the news, her seperated parents can't give her the care that she needs. It so sad, I want to cry. Poor, poor Charlotte, poor, poor parents.

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giddy1 · 16/10/2006 14:53

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mancmum · 16/10/2006 14:54

so are we all prepared to pay unlimited taxes to pay for the care of these poor children... at the end of the day, sentiment has a cost -- but I do not think a lot of people are prepared to pay for it...

I just thank God yet again for not having to walk a metre in the poor Wyatt family's shoes... again another thread to make you grateful for what you have..

HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 14:54

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kittythescarygoblin · 16/10/2006 14:54

Thankyou greensleeves. No I don't think nor have I ever thought that anyone should be exterminated. It's sad that secondchild thinks that people with extreme points of view that don't concur with hers should be prevented from having children though.

bluejelly · 16/10/2006 14:56

I think I sort of agree with some of the things that Kitty said.
The couple in question went against the advice of all their doctors treating their child, who really had the child's best interests at heart... Doctors do not take DNR lightly. The fact that it got to the high court suggests that the they took this very seriously indeed.
Everything I have read about the baby suggests her quality of life is appalling.
It's heartbreaking but I'm not sure that the family have made the best decisions-- and certainly the fact that she is going into fostercare suggests that they haven't...
Very sad for all concerned but I think we have got a right to discuss this on MN without getting upset with each other...

Socci · 16/10/2006 14:57

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hulababy · 16/10/2006 14:58

I do not have a child with SN, but I still think that the Wyatts deserve as much support as their is available, and some. When they decided to have their baby Charlotte they, and non one, could ever have envisaged how she would turn their world upside down and change it forever. They fought to keep their baby alive. The stress and strain of that fight broke their marriage up. I can definitely feel empathy for them and their family, and for little Charlotte.

HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 14:58

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wannaBe1974 · 16/10/2006 14:59

Ah still going I see.

I think there are actually a huge amount of separate arguments here, and by agreeing with one point doesn?t necessarily mean you agree with all iykwim. Were the wyatts irresponsible to have two children so soon after baby Charlotte was born? Possibly, but Charlotte was never expected to survive, so maybe they craved the normality of other children, who knows. I think we might all act differently in the same situation.

Should the parents have gone to court to insist all measures be taken to resussitate their child? My honest opinion on that is I don?t know. I believe that everyone has a right to life, without question, but resuscitation is, to put it bluntly, quite brutal, it?s not a pleasant thing to happen to anyone, let alone to a tiny baby who already has little chance of surviving. . Doctors had said that with every resuscitation, Charlotte?s lungs would weaken, thus make her more prone to infection etc. I?m not sure whether it was so much about whether Charlotte should have been allowed to live, but whether she should have been allowed to die iykwim, and I think that as a parent that can be an impossible decision to make which is why the courts often become involved. As it happens, the dnr never had to be enforced, so ultimately Charlotte has made the decision for herself.

As for the matter of Charlotte going into foster care, I do think there is more to that then we are being told, the father has a criminal record and chose not to see his first three children, who knows why that is, but a lot has been said about the conduct of the parents, and there is currently an injunction preventing the media talking about Charlotte?s care and the circumstances surrounding it, which would suggest there is more to this than two parents simply being unable or unwilling to care for her.

Should cost come into the equasion? Absolutely not. I would far sooner the state paid for babies like Charlotte to be cared for in the best possible way, care/education for people with sn, for support for the parents/guardians/carers of those people with sn, and no I don?t have a child with sn. If the money has to come from somewhere, then take it away from the paedofiles, and the rapists, and the various other scum that are sitting in prison bleeting on about their human rights. Every child, regardless of their circumstances, deserves and equal chance in life.

BATtymumma · 16/10/2006 14:59

Happymumof2 - please see my post of 1:57.

you will see that my aunt was born in similar circumstances to Charlotte. she is now 38. she lives in a residential home with other people who have similar problems to her own.

She goes to a social club once a week, goes swimming, goes out for meals once a month, she goes shopping, they have evening events and of course she has her feinds at the home.

quite frankly she has a better social life than i do!! who are we to decide that death is better than life?

as i said in my post, my grandparents questioned whether it was right to keep her alive..i dont think my aunt ever has!

hulababy · 16/10/2006 14:59

But has Charlotte ever had to be resusitated or the DNR ever been necessary? I thought it hadn't and she has survived regardless, against all expectations of the doctors and nurses around her.

mummydoc · 16/10/2006 15:00

i have to go now - so thought i would finish with a really explosive summing up

mr and mrs wyatt fought to keep their daughter charlotte alive at all cost ( emotional and finacial) . they achieved this and now charlotte is stable enough to leave hospital they don't want to look after her... i feel so angry at these parents . Poor Charlotte, thank goodness she will never have the intellectual cabability to understand that when it cam edown to it her parents didn't want her.

Greensleeves · 16/10/2006 15:01

"thank goodness she will never have the intellectual cabability to understand...."

That is a shocking thing to say

HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 15:01

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BATtymumma · 16/10/2006 15:02

OH, and my nan went on to have another child after my aunt.

she needed to prove to herself it wasn't her fault. she wanted to know that it was nothing she had done, that this was just something that happened.

So yes i really can understadn why they went on to have more children. im not saying it would have been my choice given the circumstances but it is understandable

KathyMCMLXXII · 16/10/2006 15:02

But Mummydoc, if the papers are reporting correctly then it's NOT the case that they don't want her, but that the father is not considered by Social Services to be capable of looking after her.

moondog · 16/10/2006 15:03

BAT,with respect,the quality of life issue is very different for someone like your aunt than it is for someone like Charlotte.

Mummydoc,re your point about father 'appearing to blame the state'...
What did he say then??

HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 15:04

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charleypopspreviouslyntt · 16/10/2006 15:04

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hulababy · 16/10/2006 15:05

mummydoc - where is any of the reports does it say that her parents do not want her? I believe they say that they are not able, according to SS, to look after her at home.

Socci · 16/10/2006 15:05

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HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 15:05

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BATtymumma · 16/10/2006 15:06

im just glad that it all seems to simple to you Mummydoc and Hapymum.

be gratefull you are not in a position where you have to choose the harder path.

they have other chidlren who need caring for. if they were able to take Charlotte home it would undoubtedly impact on the lives of their other children, maybe they feel that the sacrifice they make by allowing charlotte to be socially cared for they are ensuring their other children get the care they need.

HappyMumof2 · 16/10/2006 15:08

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Greensleeves · 16/10/2006 15:09

I don't see how you can feel qualified to judge whether or not this little girl has any quality of life. You haven't met her, after all, or talked to her doctors - we only know what is reported in the media. I find it strange that anyone feels themselves up to the task of pronouncing from such a distance that a child would be better off dead than alive.