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islamist extremists strike in france

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KareninsGirl · 07/01/2015 13:00

My thoughts are with the victims of the latest barbaric act by Islamic extremists.

The world needs to wake up and defend itself.

RIP those who died and prayers for those critically injured.

at French magazine office www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

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gazouille · 07/01/2015 19:15

Hassled - I was talking about the way in which blame is automatically and readily attributed based on key media statements.
Arsenic Oh mean girl, Haha fine, be rude. Do I care? No. I am sure the thread will gain a smattering of proMossad if it hasn't done so already since there are organizations set up to specifically do this. I despair for this world too but for different reasons to those who buy into the fear. I hate to think there might be people on this thread who may be teachers and bosses to my DCs.

Greysanderson · 07/01/2015 19:16

Would just like to point out that the biggest group of victims of these Islamic terrorists are other Muslims and I have seen condemnation from Islamic groups and I am not a Muslim myself if you look you will see but they will hardly hit the front pages like attacks like these.

mrsruffallo · 07/01/2015 19:19

PLease ignore Gaz everyone, and concentrate on today's tragedy.

cleanmachine · 07/01/2015 19:21

Ubik my nephew is currently in trafalgar square. He is there with his flatmates all stood in silence. In support of the victims. His 3 flatmates are muslims. Perhaps you'd prefer it if they wore a sign around their neck or a badge saying they're muslim.

WetAugust · 07/01/2015 19:21

If it shouts Alluah Akbar while slaughtering 12 office workers with an AK47, I'd take a good guess that it's Muslim

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck I can be firgiven for calling it a duck

Gaz. You need professional help You have been brainwashed

dreamingbohemian · 07/01/2015 19:22

gaz I have enormous sympathy actually for Muslims in France, I know they are treated like crap in many ways (used to live there), there is a lot of racism and Islamophobia, and now things are just going to get worse.

I also agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions, everyone thought Norway and OK City were Islamists and they were wrong.

But it's a big leap from that to say it couldn't possibly be Islamists or that it's probably Mossad. There is a terrorist problem in France regardless, I mean I'm pretty sure it wasn't Mossad targeting the Jewish school in Toulouse.

Jihadist extremists all over the world are celebrating this attack. Is it so crazy to think that perhaps a few of them actually, well, conducted it? Let's see what the police find out.

jeanswithatwist · 07/01/2015 19:23

cuddletouch no fucking way are you a jew, no way. shit stirrer? yes

WetAugust · 07/01/2015 19:25

I don't particularly want to see individual Muslims condemning these attacks. What I do want is for individual Muslims to report these scum to the authorities when they suspect they are terrorists instead if seeing them as their fellow brothers and sisters and therefore ignoring the issue

After all, their religion is being hijacked by tossers and if something that I held dear was being hijacked by tossers I would do everything I could to defend that thing against them.

jeanswithatwist · 07/01/2015 19:26

marjorie didn't you know that is was mossad/the jews behind 911 too Hmm

Ubik1 · 07/01/2015 19:29

Cleanmachine - don't be so sanctimonious.

As I said, I am sure there are many Muslim people who condemn the attacks and some will demonstrate. But I think there needs to be strong condemnation from religious and community groups.
Perhaps that will happen. We will see.

ArsenicFaceCream · 07/01/2015 19:30

didn't you know that is was mossad/the jews behind 911 too

They do get around.

gazouille · 07/01/2015 19:31

If it shouts Alluah Akbar while slaughtering 12 office workers with an AK47, I'd take a good guess that it's Muslim

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck I can be firgiven for calling it a duck

No! You are using the ingrained familiarity of the latter to dangerously leap towards the former when neither prove anything about the other.

JanineStHubbins · 07/01/2015 19:33

You mean like the representative body of French Muslims and one of the most distinguished centres of Islamic learning, Ubik?

Already has happened.

Ubik1 · 07/01/2015 19:42

Well that's a good thing Janine

I think the rise of the far right in Europe is disturbing. I think people need to show solidarity with each other following these disgusting executions. I hope it's a chance for people to stand together to condemn it and to endorse freedom of speech.

MehsMum · 07/01/2015 19:48

I also agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions, everyone thought Norway and OK City were Islamists and they were wrong.

I was living in the US at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing. It wasn't so much that the TV reporters etc 'thought' it was carried out by Islamists (I don't think the term had been invented then, anyway), more that they couldn't believe that it could be home-grown all-American terrorism.

As for the nutters on this thread blaming Mossad and 'the zionist press': guys, I cannot take you seriously. I do, however, take men in black with AK47s horribly seriously, because they want to change, forever, the way we live our lives, and they will do it by force if we let them. They are bloody terrifying. I do not want my daughters and their daughters forced to wear hijabs 40 or 50 years down the line. I don't want them to have to live under Sharia law.

So what do we do? Blame the Jews/Mossad/Zionists? Well, that will really help, won't it? Or get heavy? Or work with moderate Muslims? I hope we try the last option, and I hope it works. If it doesn't, well, we'll look back on threads like this and the dream-days of freedom as paradise, I suppose.

Being scared is not giving in. Being scared seems entirely reasonable to me. Hanging onto the freedoms of liberal democracy and toleration seems the only logical thing to do.

BackOnlyBriefly · 07/01/2015 19:52

Cuddlecouch, If Mossad are going around pretending to be Muslims maybe Mohammed was one of theirs? Just a joke to see who'd fall for it?

ToomanyChristmasPresents · 07/01/2015 19:53

Freedom of speech worries me. I very much doubt you will see all the major papers reprint the cartoons out of solidarity tomorrow. Not because they wouldn't like to do so, but because they are scared.

Assuming these extreme views are just held by a tiny minority; that tiny minority is getting a LOT of leverage over us all.

BackOnlyBriefly · 07/01/2015 19:59

Maybe instead of saying "Islam denounces any violence" which is clearly untrue, they could say "We denounce any violence - sorry about the Koran",

JohnFarleysRuskin · 07/01/2015 20:02

Goodness, I thought this was going to be a serious heartfelt discussion then I see this thread has been taken over by nutters.
How did that happen?

Ubik1 · 07/01/2015 20:10

More of this...

islamist extremists strike in france
WetAugust · 07/01/2015 20:11

Gazouille. You are actually a major cause of the problem with Islam as you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that someone who professes to share you religion is capable of violence. Until you face up to your own responsibilities you are as bad as the fundamentalists. indeed in your unwavering support of the indefensible you are displaying fundamentalist views.

I cannot see any purpose in carrying on the discussion with Gaz. There are some people who are so brain washed that discussion is impossible.

The editors say they will not publish the cartoons because they have a responsibility girl the safety of their staff. That should tell us that these editors feel totally unprotected by the State. If they are unprotected, we are unprotected and protecting ourselves against the secret enemy within is what we should be concentrating on.

Ubik1 · 07/01/2015 20:13

Sorry it didn't load properly. This is what this French imam said at the scene. He is a brave man.

"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this."

Imam Chalgoumi

GreatAuntDinah · 07/01/2015 20:15

I live and work in a heavily Muslim suburb of northern Paris and have done for years. Almost all my neighbours are Muslim. What was it you wanted to know again Gazouille?

GatoradeMeBitch · 07/01/2015 20:32

I know it's not a major point, but I don't understand why they aren't mentioning the other people from Charlie Hebdo who were murdered - Luce Lapin, a female cartoonist is dead. There's barely any mention of her, just the four/five who are pictured in every article.

Also, I was just stupid enough to look at the DM. Many keyboard warriors wondering why the woman who was made to open the door didn't just let them kill her and her child instead.

WetAugust · 07/01/2015 20:42

you are lucky that you didn't see the footage of the French Policeman lying on the ground writhing in agony as he had been shot or saw him, with his hands up in surrender, being calmly executed by a shot in the head.

seeing that happening in the streets of a major European capital absolutely enrages me.

French police have named the 3 suspected terrorists - all French and 2 are brothers