islamist extremists strike in france

[KareninsGirl]

My thoughts are with the victims of the latest barbaric act by Islamic extremists.

The world needs to wake up and defend itself.

RIP those who died and prayers for those critically injured.

at French magazine office www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883

I fully appreciate that the majority of Muslims will be shocked and disgusted by this and other similar attacks.

However I'm worried that the number of radicalised, extremists seems to be growing. Where will it end?

Such events are almost a weekly event lately. The Canadian Attack, Sydney cafe, the Pakistan school, now this. It seems that smaller, more frequent attacks have replaced the big attacks such as 9/11, london and Madrid bombings.

I love the argument that it must be Mossad because Muslims are not clever enough to plan such an attack

Which is basically what cuddle says at 17:59

I'm as angry as you. I'm fuming. But i have the right to withhold judgement about who is behind this attack until i have more information than they shouted some Islamic words.

I apologise for offence caused to anyone on this thread. But i repay something about this vile act does not add up.

Why does it not add up? 9/11 was extremely well planned.

What doesn't add up? Their offices were firebombed. They have received daily death threats. They were under police protection. And what leads you to Mossad?

It's your weak conspiracy theory that doesn't add up I 'm afraid. And we will never know if you are jewish or not, will we?

Viva I completely agree with you. I am very, very worried. Maybe it's wrong to be worried, but I can't help it. We don't know where it will end, we don't know where will be next. It is very, very scary.

This has really shocked me - I can't really articulate how upset I am. Mostly I just feel desperately sorry for peaceful, law-abiding Muslims who are going to be painted by the same bastard brush. This isn't what Islam is.

Yes Cuddlecouch! Smh at those who think protesting against zionism is anti semitic.
TheFairy - you are meant to feel afraid and fearful, it is part of what they intend, the ones financing the terror operations on BOTH sides and doing the brainwashing on BOTH sides to create killer machines and willing sacrifices on BOTH sides. If you cave into the fear without tracing the perpetrators, you fall right into their hands.

I am not even going to dare to claim to be Jewish either because mrsruffallo has already decided that is impossible.

gaz I am more scared than maybe the average person because both my DH and DS1 are in the Forces. Attacks like this make me worried about what is going to happen next.

They are victims of an even wider problem even though they get a lot of aggro which should be directed towards men in suits hiding in the shadows. I am sorry to hear that.

Part of their strategy is to have created the term conspiracy theory and use it to brand a load of people nutjobs to keep the majority of the population asking the wrong questions. Taking the piss proves it has worked

The scariest thing for me is the effect this is going to have on the popularity of the far right groups in Europe which are already thriving. Le penn has been handed a victory. It's terrifying for every one of us.

gaz you are pretty brainwashed yourself if you believe everything David Icke peddles.

by all means scratch beneath the surface but you are sounding just as bonkers as someone who blindly believes everything they read in the western press.

balance.

Karen - I don't rate Icke actually. There is an entire worldwide movement devoted to finding out the truth and he does not represent it in any way as far as most of us are concerned. You are entitled to encourage the fear mongering and play into their hands but I also have a right to say what I think, or know, to be more likely.

If a terrorist attack 'doesn't add up' it doesn't mean it was Mossad (who coincidentally are also behind 9/11 and every other terrorist attack, don't you know) it can just mean that a new form/trend of attack is emerging. We could expect that returning foreign fighters, for example, would devise very different attacks than home-grown radicals with little training/experience/access to weapons.

That is all speculation though because I agree more information is needed before saying anything definitive.

I would really like to see condemnation from Muslim groups. I would like to see them on the streets protesting against this attack on freedom of speech with everyone else in France. I'm sure there will be some Muslims who will definitely want to add their voice to condemnation of the attacks but I feel strongly that there needs to be a mass movement, a strong condemnation of these attacks and a strong anti violence and freedom of expression message from Muslims.

And those poor people. All they did this morning was go to work

Ubik - the Arab League has condemned the attack

Lets do a straw poll to see how many people on this thread have actually lived in Paris for long periods of time, immersed in muslim-dominated areas and spoken to those muslims and gained a real understanding of what their life is like on a day-to-day basis because of the way their religion is perceived. If you have done that and have something worthwhile to tell us about it, please contribute; we could compare notes. If you haven't then how on earth can you assess the probabilities based on what you perceive to be the situation with Muslims in the UK?

gaz - I haven't lived with the Muslim community in Paris, no.

I struggle to see how that means I can't express my sadness and shock at what happened today.

Let's do a straw pol lof who thinks gaz is a leetle bit of a goady fucker.

I do.

goady and most inappropriate

I think what has happened in inexcuseable.

Whatever the life of Muslims in Paris is like, this cannot be used to excuse such a barbaric act.

Plus I hate and despise this behaviour of some Muslims to paint themselves as eternal victims. It always seems somebody else's fault. What about taking responsibility for your own life, like most of us do?

Why do people always say they want to see Muslims condemning the attacks, when every single time lots of Muslims do? Not that they should have to, but still.

There are thousands of people rallying in France and Europe, should the Muslims among them wear signs so that people know they're there?

Or you could just google and find this in 2 seconds:

The Arab League and Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's most prestigious centre of learning, both condemned a deadly attack Wednesday on a Paris satirical newspaper. "Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris," the League said after gunmen stormed the weekly's offices killing at least 12 people and chanting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest). Al-Azhar condemned the "criminal attack," saying that "Islam denounces any violence", in remarks carried by Egypt's state news agency MENA. In a separate statement to AFP, Al-Azhar senior official Abbas Shoman said the institution "does not approve of using violence even if it was in response to an offence committed against sacred Muslim sentiments".

OR

^France's Muslim leadership sharply condemned the shooting at a Paris satirical weekly that left at least 12 people dead as a "barbaric" attack and an assault on press freedom and democracy, AFP reports Wednesday.
"This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press," the French Muslim Council (CFCM) said in a statement. The body represents France's Muslim community, which is Europe's biggest and estimated to number between 3.5 million and five million people.^